AF - A place to flame people who know less than you?

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Foursquare wrote:

<<Just that you talk about wasting time. What could be a bigger waste of time than anonymous postings to a message board? I'm not going to dig into your posts because I don't care....I will say it is safe to assume that 95% or more of them are a complete waste of my time and probably yours too.... Seriously, no offense, I just wouldn't call my time spent here as being very valuable, especially during the offseason.
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That depends on how you look at it. You're right -- each post I make here takes away valuable time from other things I could be doing. Sometimes it means I have to stay half an hour later to finish all the things I have to do, which will certainly be the case today. However, just so it's clear, I don't feel disrespected when people ask questions here -- I'm just explaining how others might feel like it's an utter waste of time, and how I think that's understandable.

In any case, I'm not posting here because I think someone will pop out of the ground and give me a job offer I can't refuse. Rather, I don't mind making posts to advise others because I find it satisfying when someone feels like I've been able to offer them some useful insights. A lot of people helped me get onto my career track so I have no problem passing information onto others that are appreciative. Hopefully I've been able to add value to some of the readers here, maybe help them get job offers or give them some useful information to make career decisions...who knows?

Likewise, there have been others here who've been helpful in advising me, so I certainly wouldn't say AF is a complete waste of time.

Anyway, I think this is my cue to get back to work.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at Monday, September 11, 2006 at 05:59PM by numi.
 
Foursquare Wrote:
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> -Agree with you exemp, this place tends to be
> nicer than others - if by others you mean video
> game boards, star wars, etc. :)) As for
> professional message boards, well, I'd say we're
> one of a kind. Find me a professional message
> board that allows topics like the ones you see
> here and I'd say it's not a worthy profession.
> Have you ever visited a programming forum? Talk
> about handling newbie questions all day long
> (Excelforum.com). They are always handled
> politely. IMO, the OT forum ought to be removed
> and the GD should be heavily monitored.
> Seriously, if you want to talk off topic, aren't
> there enough places on the internet already to
> choose from? Why should it be attached to the CFA
> designation? Start a blog or something. If you're
> too ashamed to post something under your own name
> than you shouldn't be posting it under a website
> that is at all affiliated with the CFA.
>
> I bring this up because I saw that thread last
> week about cleaning up this site. Why wouldn't
> people want to protect the integrity of the CFA
> designation by removing all this crap from the
> board? You spend 3+ years getting this designation
> (which is still not widely recognized) and you
> want people coming here for a frame of reference?

My man. But did you support me on my thread?
 
I move the previous question. This discussion has gone long enough. If jg1996business does not understand the point being made about why it is important to discourage individuals from asking dumb questions than he will never understand and we should just flame him. The prior participants in this discussion have already been more than helpful in trying to persuade him.

This has nothing to do with "type A" buttheads as bosses or needing to be thick-skinned in the investment finance business. I do not know of any industry that rewards a lack of initiative and determination to strive for excellence. I do not know of any industry where laziness and mental sloppiness is encouraged. Furthermore, forum participants are not obligated to be helpful even if the question is intelligent and well thought out.

So...jg1996business, you are a numbskull and a twit.
 
JoeyDVivre Wrote:

> My man. But did you support me on my thread?


I did but it was a total wash - the hostility bordered on being hysterical. Anyway, I am going to take sometime off from OT, or at least tone my participation down several notches even though it is already low.
 
By the time I got through reading all the replies it was sort of like how CFAAtlanta described... I found it provocative enough to repeat here though and think that is should be a recurring message every now and then.
 
CFAAtlanta Wrote:
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> JoeyDVivre Wrote:
>
> > My man. But did you support me on my thread?
>
>
> I did but it was a total wash - the hostility
> bordered on being hysterical. Anyway, I am going
> to take sometime off from OT, or at least tone my
> participation down several notches even though it
> is already low.

I know you did and I appreciate it.
 
Hey CFAAtlanta, thanks also for the shoutout earlier on -- I've definitely appreciated your posts and advice as well
 
I realize that I'm getting into the discussion quite late, but I'll add my two cents anyway.

I personally have no issue with answering a question about from someone who is trying to learn more about the investment industry. In comparison to some people who routinely post here, my knowledge and experience is somewhat limited, and I sometimes have questions that I simply can't find the answer to, and I know that someone here will help out, or point me in the right direction. However, I do try to answer the question on my own first. Where I begin to have problems with people is when people ask painfully basic questions that can be answered in less than 2 minutes on Google, or even worse, when people come here and ask someone to e-mail them research reports, etc in their first posts.

I try to not flame people for their ignorance, as we were all ignorant at one point, but I find it hard to stop myself when an aspiring research analyst comes on AF and asks a question that can be answered easily on Google or the CFA Institute website, or wants to know where to find a sell-side research report. Research requires creativity and resourcefulness, and asking someone else for the answer doesn't really demonstrate that when the answer is available to you with a few clicks of a mouse.

If you're asking a question on AF, make sure it is not something that can be answered by searching for a minute or two on Google. There are a lot of legitimate basic questions that I see here, but there are a lot that could be answered a lot quicker by searching on Google or going to the CFA website.

The other point (where I do not have a problem flaming people) is when someone asks a question, gets a legitimate answer, and then responds by telling the person that responded to their question that they don't know what they are talking about. It's really disrespectful to do this to someone who has taken time out of their busy day to help someone out - and really irritates me when I see this happen.
 
By a show of hands, who prefers:

a) AF -- A place flame people who know less than you??

b) AF -- A place to annoy people when you know nothing at all??
 
Whilst i'm not big on flaming myself, I can see that without a little flaming this would be a tiresomely earnest forum.


Besides, the low barriers to entry on this forum do make for some pretty ill-thought-out questions.

"If I got an MBA how much would I earn" (too many variables / unknowns)

"What questions will they ask me in my next interview" (Tip: use the SEARCH function)

"How do you analyse a company" (yeah, I can answer that in a short post...)

"Should i study LIFA?" (about that search function...)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at Tuesday, September 12, 2006 at 03:38AM by DeadCat.
 
Numi - just to Big-you-up my brother from another mother ... I rate your posts as helpful, considered and insightful. You are net positive on the karma scales for this forum ... and when I get round to steering LoxleyCo to world domination I'll head hunt you for an exec role.
 
i agree numi your posts are always helpful and well thought out......

i think there are reasons for flames on the board, when someone asks if formula sheets are provided on level 1 (which i have seen at least 10 times) you can see why people get frustrated.... i personally dont know if it was warranted in this case, i think pointing the kid in the right direction would have been ok but i do understand the frustration with some of the inane questions that are repated over and over on this board... i come here for insightful discussion, not reading the same thing over and over again
 
I think many questions posted deserve flames, it's the only way to keep the quality of the board up. A form of internet natural selection (although lets not start a creationalist vs evolutionalist origins of AF discussion)

But, I'm not really a fan of the "if you're asking this question you can never make it in this industry" posts. I find that a bit pompous.
 
loxley and deucefranchise, thanks for the thoughts -- much appreciated. i have enjoyed reading your posts as well
 
bits of A and bits of B...depends on my mood which is somewhat volatile.
 
"So what's the deal with flaming people that ask questions on this forum. I don't get it guys"

Basically it has to do with the fact that some people need to learn that the "there's no such thing as a stupid question" rule stopped being true in 3rd grade.

If you want thoughtful answers, make sure to put some thought into your questions.
 
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