Beef with Accountants

JoeyDVivre

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And it's just stupid. We need accountants, doctors, finance professionals, college professors, etc.. They're all smart and can be rich and arguing whose smarter or richer is really dumb.
 
The dean of my business faculty is a CA/CFA + Masters in Finance with a boatload of experience. He teaches only one 4th year Accounting course (Management Control Systems), i took it with him simply to be taught by someone of such standing.

He claims that Finance is inferior to Accounting, not in serious conversations, just pokes fun at it whenever he gets the chance. I asked him why he feels the way he does, he simply said Finance has no substance.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at Friday, July 6, 2007 at 07:28PM by Alexandrov.
 
Bah, never mind, no CFA, but a Ph.D in Finance.

PhD, MSc (Bradford, UK),
FCA (E&W),
FCMA (UK),
JDip MA ,
FETCert
 
Gouman Wrote:
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> LOL. I can tell you�re an old grizzly. I don't
> think you know what you�re talking about. I go to
> work everyday where 25 year old kids like my self
> are starting out making 60k with a 50-100% percent
> bonuses, depending on how well our firm does
> overall, MBAs and CFAs are getting 120k with the
> same bonus as stated above. Everyone writes VBA,
> or is actively learning it at least. People move
> up fast or their gone fast, the person I work for
> made VP in 3 years she's 28 or 29, of course we
> are one of those firms where it seems like
> everyone is VP. Nevertheless with the title comes
> added responsibility and compensation.
>
> Let me assure you these are not senior people, or
> hot shots, these are first, second, and third year
> associates/analyst who just know their stuff and
> work hard. Most are working only 12 hour days,
> basically market hours + 4 more.
>
> Senior people are making way more. I've noted on
> this forum that the quant I sit next to came in at
> 240k with less than 10 years experience. Rumor is
> our group managing director banked close to 10
> million last year since the market we are in
> boomed. In general everyone came out smiling
> especially when those bonuses were handed out.
>
> You may not want to believe it probably because
> you've been working for decades and are making
> 15-20% more than some kid half your age just
> getting started. Our group manages 50 of 150
> billion with less than 40 full time people and the
> interns. Were banking about 200 million in fees.
> Expenses are overhead, blackberries, laptops,
> T&E's, IT infrastructure; the point is it isn�t
> much so there is plenty of mullah to go around at
> the end of the year.
>
> Note, our firm is small < 150 billion under
> management. Big firms like Piper, Morgan,
> Jefferies, Merrill are delivering much more
> lucrative packages than my shop. Bloomberg
> reported the average salary for all Goldman
> employees was 600k. People at shops a third their
> caliber are likely seeing a third their average
> salary which is still no pittance.
>
> Look, it's plain to see in my eyes, the hardest
> part about working in high finance is getting in.
> Once you�re in if you can stay in your likely to
> do really well. Of course if you work in some cow
> town you�re going to work for peanuts. However if
> your in LA (where I work) or any other financial
> center e.g. NY, SF, St. Paul, Chicago firms have
> to pay up to keep talent period. Those non-go
> getters who stay in Biloxi, Ithaca, and east
> Podunk don't really care about making money
> obviously. Anybody who does would move to any of
> the places stated above and goes for the gold. You
> may not make partner at Goldman but a smart person
> who is driven should make triple the 65k those who
> stay in small towns do.
>
> With respect to dilution of jobs, I don't buy it.
> I think demand for qualified finance professionals
> far outstrips demand today and will in the
> foreseeable future. The hard part is weeding out
> the hopefuls who don't cut it. CFAs will continue
> to be in high demand despite increasing
> enrollment. Also, most of the growth in CFAs is
> overseas which is another chink in your pathetic
> argument considering your argument refers to the
> U.S. job market.
>
> In the U.S. the employment market is trending
> towards jobs that require highly educated
> professionals trained in mathematics, sciences,
> technology. Our educational system is not
> producing suitable candidates, that�s a fact.
>
> In conclusion, you�re just a hater. You probably
> over the hill, work in East Podunk for peanuts, I
> bet you have a couple kids, a bunk wife who has
> your ball in a vice grip; you likely live an
> average and a boring life. Unlike you, many of us
> on this board have got are sh*t together, were in
> our early 20s and in position to pursue the most
> interesting and high dollar value positions. So
> don't come here and try to make it seem like I
> don't know what I'm talking, I'm no dreamer, and
> I'm speaking from experience. Trust me pal my
> internship ends in a few weeks, I graduate and
> could become full time, in three years I'd have a
> CFA and 3.5 in years of experience including the 6
> month internship. I have no doubt I'd be bringing
> in 100k plus. Instead I'm sticking around and
> doing a second baccalaureate in mathematics so I
> can apply to a joint financial engineering/MBA
> program and I'm still sitting for CFA in the mean
> time. We'll talk in a few years and see how much I
> don't know. Jerk.


Impossible is nothing.
 
asdffdsa Wrote:
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> one of the things i love about this forum is that
> every few weeks or months someone posts some
> garbage like this, gets beaten down severely by
> the regular posters and often disappears for some
> time afterward. when they return, they're often
> more helpful and more mature in their posts. i
> hope that is the case here, but either way, it's
> pretty funny to read some of the beatings the OP
> received.


People can be so predictable. However, I can't blame those of you who chose to state your opinion, it's a fre country.

So all I'm hearing is the usual "your young and dumb", "what do you know, your just an intern", "ha ha look at him he's an idiot an I'm not".

"asdffdsa", I take it in the ass everyday from analyst, traders, and PM's everyday. They have tear my ass to shreds for being young, dumb, naive, for making mistakes and just for the hell of it. I take it like a champ, learn and move on, thats probably why I was pulled aside and offered a second junior position as a analyst in the front office today.

Basically, nothing anybody says on this forum is going to make me run off with my tail between my legs. My skin is thick and my will is strong. I will continue to post and stand by my positions.

I agree I may have taken a step in the wrong direction with my second post directed at Super I. However, I'm not sorry.

JoeyD , you always make compelling post. I agree with your statement, except for the part about me being stupid.

On a final note my thread is at 44 responses and climbing. I love it. Maybe I should quit finance and go into broadcasting to try and stir things up. Nah, I love finance too much, even more than pissing people off.

However I was actually an in studio guest on the Tom Leykis show (radio show) last year, I wrote a compelling email and he brought me in for a two hour segment. I pissed off millions of listeners that day. LOL.
 
I never said you were stupid. I said arguing about which profession is smarter or richer is stupid...

Anyway, stop being a troll. There are plenty of interesting things to discuss with a wide and rich variety of people here. Post some question about something you've been wrestling with at work. Next time one of those analysts rips you a new one, post some questions on it, get smart about it, and then provoke him/her the next day about it. Much more fun.
 
Joey, seems like everybody's being really hard on you these days man, lol. I guess thats what happens when everybody looks to you!

Anyways Gouman, Joey makes a good point. Focus and discuss about the trials and tribulations of your job. I too are finding the posts on AF lacking alot of substance at this point. I'm actually reading the threads from 2005 (i.e Equity Reseach Associate, IB vs. ER, etc etc). Much more interesting to read.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 11:51AM by UAECFA.
 
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