liaaba Wrote:
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> cpk123 Wrote:
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> > I have read this both in Stalla and in Schweser.
>
> >
> > Schweser has this in italics as a Professor’s
> note
> > right at the start of the chapter - after they
> lay
> > out the rules of when a lease becomes a capital
> > lease.
> >
> > In the rules – the last one: says The PV of
> > Lease payments is equal to or greater than 90%
> of
> > the fair value of the leased asset. The
> interest
> > rate used to discount the lease payments is the
> > LOWER of lessee’s incremental borrowing rate or
> > the interest rate implicit in the Lease.
> >
> > Quote:
> > The implicit interest rate in the lease is the
> > discount rate that the lessor used to determine
> > the lease payments. It is the lease’s IRR
> because
> > it is the rate that equates the PV of lease
> > payments to the fair value of the leased asset.
> > Using the lower of the two discount rates
> > increases the PV of the lease payments, and
> > increases the likelihood that the lease will
> > satisfy the 90% criterion, and therefore be
> > classified as a CAPITAL Lease.
> >
>
> —this doesn’t instill that much confidence in
> me, especially when it said they choose the lower
> rate so that it satisfy the 90% criterion…
>
> I didn’t get any study notes from schweser and
> stalla (just straight from the CFAI text), but I
> bought their qbank, and from the questions from
> qbank, it seems like schweser has some problems
> with their material, either outdated material from
> the past or simply incorrect interpretation, like
> the numerous quant screwups that’s been posted on
> this forum already (I’m sure Joey can attest to
> that)
>
> I did a search and looked at a few links
> (unfortunately I don’t have time to look through
> too many), none of them have a precise rule for
> deciding this discount rate, and that’s probably
> the way it should be, since it’d be an accounting
> decision made by the firm (although a few of them
> did suggest using the comp’s cost of debt, or
> prior yr’s cost of debt etc). The implicit rate
> is the one where the pv of lease payments equal
> the fair market value/selling price (for sales
> type lease) or the cost (for direct financing
> lease), I mean, I probably would have no problem
> with it if it just suggested to use the comp’s
> cost of borrowing because it’s the most applicable
> to use given the circumstances, but their
> reasoning is kinda weak, specifically when they
> say you should choose the lower rate so that it
> qualifies as a capital lease, but isn’t the whole
> point of analyzing these leases is to see if they
> are indeed capital leases? if you choose a rate
> that’ll qualify it as a capital lease, then
> doesn’t that defeat the purpose of this analysis?
> it should be the rate that’s most appropriate to
> the lease given it’s terms, risks, and any other
> considerations, not the one that’ll make it a
> capital lease…..
>
> “Using the lower of the two discount rates
> increases the PV of the lease payments, and
> increases the likelihood that the lease will
> satisfy the 90% criterion, and therefore be
> classified as a CAPITAL Lease.”
>
> this almost sounds like an accounting fraud to
> me…
>
> this is probably going a bit off track and
> unnecessary, but I hope on the actual CFA exam, we
> won’t be forced to make such a decision…and none
> of this was mentioned in CFAI text from what I can
> remember (I mean the choosing of the lower rate)
REading the responses did jog a vague memory so i checked the CFAI books once i got home.
a.The footnotes (pg 562) say that for purpose of lease classification, the discount rates used to calculate NPV should be the lessee’s incremental borrowing rate or the lessor’s implicit interest rate whichever is lower. (Also problem 8, references the same fact)
b. The section on the financial reporting (571 of cfai notes) say that the discount rate should reflect the risk class of the c/o being analyzed. The interest rate implicit in the lease is a good approximation.
Anyway, what i was trying to say is that given conservatism principle and all that why would one calculate npv @ a higher interest rate then the rate at which the interest is calculated for adjustment?