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I know that perhaps this question has surfaced on this forum before but, despite efforts to locate related threads, I couldn't find the feedback I need. That said, I was wondering if anyone out there has information concerning the "added value" of a CA designation when one already has the Charter?

Currently, I am a Charterholder and work in real estate finance.

Thanks in advance.
Spilt
 
How would you go about getting the CA now then? Quit your current role, and get a job at an accounting firm?

I know a fair number of people who've done the reverse, however...seems to treat them well. A lot end up in research or i-banking.
 
Yeah I've always heard it done the other way around, CA then CFA. Not sure how much value a CA would add to real estate finance??

Won't open the whole CA vs CFA debate, but I think if you had any reasonable comp survery of CA's in Canada (which is where I assume you are, or UK if that's the case) vs CFA's in Canada you'll see a massive difference.

Of course CA's are statsically less likely to be in the major finance centres of Toronto or Calgary, but still...
 
Hali, I can not believe how many times you bastardized CFA in that post.
 
CFA_Hali - Salaries for CAs are high but many of them without a CFA and/or MBA work in extremely mundane areas like financial reporting, internal controls, SOX, treasury
 
perhaps my views are biased...but I am not sure how I've basterized the charter...anyways
 
This might be of interest to a few of you..

http://www.icao.on.ca/CA/CompensationSurvey/SummaryReport.pdf

This is a 2005 CA compensation survey. One schematic shows compensation for CA with additional designations such as the CFA (page 41).

CA, CFA = compensation of 242,475 (mean) & 166,000 (median)
N was 381.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 05:50PM by Brian600.
 
That compensation survey is quite misleading. I talked with a lot of CAs in my city and they said, generally speaking, only partners/CFOs make above $ 100K.

The high average compensation figures are skewed by demographics. CAs generally tend to be older as very few students register for CA program. As older people are generally in management positions, it skews the numbers. Furthermore, there are CFOs who are CAs, who tend to have their compensation in millions. That bring the average compensation figure up. But it does not reflect how much an average CA makes.

Their median salary is only $ 110 K. CAs who make above $ 100K are concentrated only in larger cities.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 09:13PM by nickj.
 
MBAs See Lowest Pay Within Accounting Sector
May 8 2007

MBA candidates ranked accounting as the lowest-paying among 47 industries included in Fortune Magazine�s 2007 survey of attitudes toward various employers and professional roles.

The average expected starting salary for MBAs working in �auditing, accounting and taxation� (listed as a single category) came in at $63,694, according to the poll of 5,000 current MBA students. Five years after graduation, the MBA candidates expect accounting-related work to pay $111,135.

Both figures were the lowest by far among the 47 industries covered by the survey. The next-lowest paying sector, academic research, was far ahead at $77,859 for the year after graduation and $132,282 after five years. Government/public service and education/teaching ranked five and six notches higher, respectively, with expected first-year pay of about $83,500 and expected sixth-year pay at $144,000-148,000.

The annual survey is conducted for Fortune by Universum, a Philadelphia firm that specializes in employer branding.

Private equity - more specifically, "venture capital" � topped the MBA candidates� pay expectations list, with first-year base salaries pegged at $107,919. Metals ranked second at $102,000, followed by management consulting ($101,400), investment management ($100,986) and investment banking ($98,877). However, the survey's emphasis on base pay rather than total compensation makes such comparisons cloudy.

Pay expectations showed a large gender difference. Female participants said they expected a base salary of $89,599 one year after graduation, rising to $169,849 after five years. Males expected $97,599 after one year and $204,372 after five years.

Management consulting remains the favorite initial destination for those pursuing MBA degrees. When participants were asked which companies they would most like to work for, blue-chip consulting firms McKinsey, Bain and Boston Consulting pulled down three of the top five places this year � just as they did in 2006. However, this year Google knocked McKinsey knocked out of its long-time first-place spot.

Goldman Sachs held its place as the favorite financial-sector employer in this year�s survey. Goldman placed third overall, behind Google and McKinsey.

The survey is constructed in a way that may limit its value as a gauge of candidate preferences. For one thing, private equity firms apparently weren't included among the 179 choices shown to MBA students taking part in the poll. Universum has said it compiles each year's list of possible choices by combining the prior year's top 100 with the top write-in vote-getters. Google was added in 2006 after drawing a huge write-in vote in 2005. But it looks like leading private-equity firms like Blackstone Group and Texas Pacific aren't garnering enough write-ins to earn themselves a place.
 
you have to article for 30 months to get the CA so you will have to quit your current job to complete the designation.

Im actually trying to do the CA and CFA concurrently(but only the academic part for the CFA, since the accounting work dosnt count as work experience), hopefully in a few years i can end up in Vaqluation at a big four, that would be dope.
 
I'm doing both at the same time now, writing level 2 this June then my first module of the CA starts a few days after, aim to be exam qualified for both in just over 2 years.

Fun!
 
CBF...your a brave one...the only thing I hop to be reading after june 2 is personal interest books/newspapers etc.

so burned out
 
Im feeling the same right now.

The modules of the CA will definitely be a drop in the study work load im currently use to, I may actually be able to take a day off on the weekend!
 
Given the 30 month artilcling requirement, pursuing the CA is not really an option for me - that was easy. I have however also considered pursuing a Masters in Economics; either at YorkU or UofT. The problem is that neither university offers courses at night. Not sure if any of you have completed a Masters program while working, but if you have, I would appreciate some feedback/recommendations.

BTW, thanks to those who shared their insights on my original post.
Spilt.
 
I believe Frank Arabia did a MEcon at one of those schools, or maybe it was Waterloo...ask him maybe if you want some info
 
Spilt, have you looked at online degree programs?

I was considering a Masters in Econ too but YorkU & UofT didn't fit my needs. I think YorkU does offer night classes.
 
Mr. Pink, actually, I have considered alternatives to inclass programs, but haven't really had the time to research them closely. I guess I'm a little apprehensive - warranted or not - to pursue an online degree. Are they perceived as second (or third?) rate alternatives to inclass programs? As far as I know, YorkU's MEcon program is offered exclusively during working hours, but I've been wrong before. In any event, it's certainly worth a second look. Thanks.

Appreciate the tip CFA_Hali, thanks.
 
yeah split, if you have any questions, i will be more then happy to reciprocate the favour that others on here have given me.
 
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