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As I recall this is exactly what cfai say about fx options. In fact they even say you can call your FX broker and express the option as a delta rather than a strke price.BldSwtTrs wrote:
Does the delta of an option equals the probability of exercise of this option?
That doesn’t have anything to do with whether the delta is a probability of exercise.onlysimon wrote:
As I recall this is exactly what cfai say about fx options. In fact they even say you can call your FX broker and express the option as a delta rather than a strke price.BldSwtTrs wroteoes the delta of an option equals the probability of exercise of this option?
Nobody mentioned the absolute value of delta.CFAbeatmeup wrote:This is actually one of the few times I disagree with S2000. Yes, the absolute value of delta is used by many as a probability of the option finishing in-the-money.
I’m afraid S2K is right.CFAbeatmeup wrote:
This is actually one of the few times I disagree with S2000. Yes, the absolute value of delta is used by many as a probability of the option finishing in-the-money.
One of the best books on options ever written, “The Bible of Option Strategies,” mentions this in its preface. Additionally, I’ve taken option courses on both the undergrad and graduate levels and both instructors have taught this. I was always taught this is a rule-of-thumb probability rather than a proven theory.
However, for the purposes of the exam, the CFAI doesn’t go into detail too much about this outside to say a .10 Delta strike has a lower chance of finishing in-the-money than a .25 Delta versus a .50 Delta and a .50 Delta call is currently at the money.
From the book: “Delta is another way of expressing the probability of an option expiring in-the-money. This makes sense because an ATM call option has a Delta of 0.5; i.e., 50%, meaning a 50% chance of expiring ITM. A deep ITM call will have a Delta of near 1, or 100%, meaning a near 100% chance of expiration ITM. A very out-of-the-money call option will have a Delta of close to zero, meaning a near zero chance of expiring ITM.”
Link: http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780131710665/samplepages/01317106...
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It accidentaly happens sometimes.MrSmart wrote:I’m afraid S2K is right.
S2000magician wrote:
Nobody mentioned the absolute value of delta.CFAbeatmeup wrote:This is actually one of the few times I disagree with S2000. Yes, the absolute value of delta is used by many as a probability of the option finishing in-the-money.
I made a statement about delta, which stands: because it’s negative for puts, using it as a probability is absurd.
Using the absolute value of delta as a probability isn’t absurd, of course. I’ve simply never heard of anyone using it that way.
This seems like we’re arguing a technicality, but you did not say absolute value. That said, it is known in the industry that Delta is an approximate figure of in-the-money probability.S2000magician wrote:
That doesn’t have anything to do with whether the delta is a probability of exercise.onlysimon wrote:
As I recall this is exactly what cfai say about fx options. In fact they even say you can call your FX broker and express the option as a delta rather than a strke price.BldSwtTrs wroteoes the delta of an option equals the probability of exercise of this option?
Personally, I’ve never heard of the option delta being a probability of exercise. For put options, of course, it’s absurd.
Dude, I’m pretty sure the Options Industry Council, the industry-sponsored organization, knows more about options than you do. I know you have a following here, but don’t delude yourself into thinking you know more than you do. First, S2000 did not dispute my post was incorrect, but rather I mischaracterized his argument by adding “absolute.” I’m actually providing links rather than sycophantly posting somebody else is right. As I said, it’s an *approximation* that is widely-known in the industry.MrSmart wrote:
I’m afraid S2K is right.CFAbeatmeup wrote:
This is actually one of the few times I disagree with S2000. Yes, the absolute value of delta is used by many as a probability of the option finishing in-the-money.
One of the best books on options ever written, “The Bible of Option Strategies,” mentions this in its preface. Additionally, I’ve taken option courses on both the undergrad and graduate levels and both instructors have taught this. I was always taught this is a rule-of-thumb probability rather than a proven theory.
However, for the purposes of the exam, the CFAI doesn’t go into detail too much about this outside to say a .10 Delta strike has a lower chance of finishing in-the-money than a .25 Delta versus a .50 Delta and a .50 Delta call is currently at the money.
From the book: “Delta is another way of expressing the probability of an option expiring in-the-money. This makes sense because an ATM call option has a Delta of 0.5; i.e., 50%, meaning a 50% chance of expiring ITM. A deep ITM call will have a Delta of near 1, or 100%, meaning a near 100% chance of expiration ITM. A very out-of-the-money call option will have a Delta of close to zero, meaning a near zero chance of expiring ITM.”
Link: http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780131710665/samplepages/01317106...
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Without going in details that I also assume is outside of his statistical knowledge. It is just not that simple.
The closest thing you could come up with is saying that N(d2) is the probability of expiring ITM for a binary option with an expected return on the underlying equal to the risk-free rate. Too many assumptions, while also assuming BS model holds true (and it doesn’t).
The simplest way to counter the book’s delta argument is that options are not normaly distributed, and probably not lognormal either, but it’s closer. Take 1,000 European options with a delta of 0.1 and 1 year to expiry, this means that with enough iterations, you will always get ~100 options expiring ITM, but this is not how options are priced.
If it were as simple as estimating the probability of ITM as taking delta for the actual (expected) price drift, we’d all be sitting on mountains of gold.
I, for one, wasn’t arguing a technicality.CFAbeatmeup wrote:
S2000magician wrote:
Nobody mentioned the absolute value of delta.CFAbeatmeup wrote:This is actually one of the few times I disagree with S2000. Yes, the absolute value of delta is used by many as a probability of the option finishing in-the-money.
I made a statement about delta, which stands: because it’s negative for puts, using it as a probability is absurd.
Using the absolute value of delta as a probability isn’t absurd, of course. I’ve simply never heard of anyone using it that way.This seems like we’re arguing a technicality, but you did not say absolute value. That said, it is known in the industry that Delta is an approximate figure of in-the-money probability.S2000magician wrote:
That doesn’t have anything to do with whether the delta is a probability of exercise.onlysimon wrote:
As I recall this is exactly what cfai say about fx options. In fact they even say you can call your FX broker and express the option as a delta rather than a strke price.BldSwtTrs wroteoes the delta of an option equals the probability of exercise of this option?
Personally, I’ve never heard of the option delta being a probability of exercise. For put options, of course, it’s absurd.
That’s an interesting quote. I certainly don’t dispute that the smaller the delta, the less likely the option will expire in the money and, therefore, the less likely that it will be exercised. I’m less sanguine about the delta being an approximation of that probability, however.CFAbeatmeup wrote:As I said, it’s an *approximation* that is widely-known in the industry.
Here’s the quote from the OIC:
“Looking at the Delta of a far-out-of-the-money option might give an investor an idea of its likelihood of having value at expiration. An option with less than a .10 Delta (or less than 10% probability of being in-the-money) is not viewed as very likely to be in-the-money at any point and will need a strong move from the underlying to have value at expiration.”
“I’d like to know whether it’s justified or not.”S2000magician wrote:
That’s an interesting quote. I certainly don’t dispute that the smaller the delta, the less likely the option will expire in the money and, therefore, the less likely that it will be exercised. I’m less sanguine about the delta being an approximation of that probability, however.CFAbeatmeup wrote:As I said, it’s an *approximation* that is widely-known in the industry.
Here’s the quote from the OIC:
“Looking at the Delta of a far-out-of-the-money option might give an investor an idea of its likelihood of having value at expiration. An option with less than a .10 Delta (or less than 10% probability of being in-the-money) is not viewed as very likely to be in-the-money at any point and will need a strong move from the underlying to have value at expiration.”
First, we’d need to know how close the delta has to be to the actual probability to considered “approximate”. If the delta is 0.3 and the probability is actually 0.2, is that close enough? How about 0.3 and 0.1?
Second, I’d love to see a study that’s been done that compares deltas with the ultimate frequency of expiring in the money. I’m not aware of any such study (obviously: I wasn’t aware of any of this two days ago). Is there such a study?
I wouldn’t dispute that the industry uses such an approximation. I’d like to know whether it’s justified or not.
I think I’ll run some Monte Carlo simulations and see where they get me. It may be useful data for an article.
Sure, you should publish your work and let the greater options community debate this. All I know is in the option community delta is considered an approximate of in-the-money probability, obviously you say this should not be used. Or, you should trade in these markets to take advantage of this.S2000magician wrote:
I ran another set of simulations with σ = 30%:
Again, the results here are pretty clear: the option delta isn’t remotely a good approximation to the probability that the option will be exercised.
- Delta = 0.00, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.10, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.30, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.30, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.40, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.41, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.42, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.43, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.44, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.45, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.46, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.47, P(exercise) = 0.0%
- Delta = 0.48, P(exercise) = 0.1%
- Delta = 0.49, P(exercise) = 0.7%
- Delta = 0.50, P(exercise) = 2.2%
- Delta = 0.51, P(exercise) = 6.3%
- Delta = 0.52, P(exercise) = 14.4%
- Delta = 0.53, P(exercise) = 28.1%
- Delta = 0.54, P(exercise) = 45.7%
- Delta = 0.55, P(exercise) = 64.6%
- Delta = 0.56, P(exercise) = 80.4%
- Delta = 0.57, P(exercise) = 91.0%
- Delta = 0.58, P(exercise) = 96.6%
- Delta = 0.59, P(exercise) = 98.9%
- Delta = 0.60, P(exercise) = 99.8%
- Delta = 0.70, P(exercise) = 100.0%
- Delta = 0.80, P(exercise) = 100.0%
- Delta = 0.90, P(exercise) = 100.0%
- Delta = 1.00, P(exercise) = 100.0%