EBITDA overestimate CFO

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Can someone please explain:
“EBITDA overestimates cash flow from operations if working capital is growing”
 
CFO captures the changes in working capital accounts. If working capital is increasing (CA increase more than CL), then the firm is using cash to build up those CA’s. EBITDA does not capture the changes in working capital accounts, hence, it overstates CFO
 
May I know why EBITDA ignores the effects of differences in revenue recognition policies on cash flow? Thanks.
 
I believe it’s generally because you could manipulate receivables/payables to increase EBITDA while not collecting from your sales and/or overpaying your suppliers. I think an example would be how firms can use bill and hold sales to crank up EBITDA but never actually collect the cash.
 
It’s not a matter of manipulating receivables and payables.
When you calculate CFO via the indirect method, you start, essentially, with EBITDA, then subtract the change in working capital. If working capital is growing, that change will be positive; by stopping at EBITDA, you don’t subtract that positive change.
 
Set a more clear example:
Working capital accounts are mainly receivables (CA), inventory (CA), payables (CL), short-term liabilities (CL). Note that short-term portion of long-term debt is not considered as a short-term liability in this case.
working capital = CA - CL, if WC is growing, then it is possitve, so CA is higher than CL.
Assume that CL has not changed and also inventories has not changed. The only account that has changed is receivables. When a company sales its goods or services, those sales can be exchanged for cash or credit. If the company sales on credit, receivables will increase. Because that sale was made that time, revenues account that sale despite it was made on credit. So here we have a first difference between revenues and cash flow.
Assume that receivables increased on $100, so revenues will increase on $100 and also EBITDA will increase on $100. Cash flow will increase $0 on that transaction.
If working capital increases systematically over time, EBITDA will be inflated in those working capital changes (assuming the other accounts don’t change). Thats why EBITDA can be used as a proxy of cash flows under certain assumptions or cases. Cash flow is always the best resource for valuation.
Hope this helped!
 
S2000magician wrote:
It’s not a matter of manipulating receivables and payables.
When you calculate CFO via the indirect method, you start, essentially, with EBITDA, then subtract the change in working capital. If working capital is growing, that change will be positive; by stopping at EBITDA, you don’t subtract that positive change.
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Are you implying US GAAP here because as far as I know IFRS, CFO indirect method is calculated from EBT.
Profit before tax+Non cash charges-Increase in WC, which is not exactly EBITDA (interest is left out).
Though I have spent a lot of time cracking the intuition here, I think the original statement is stating the obvious and is not worth much. It basically says that EBITDA can be high due to accrual accounting while high accruals do not affect cash flows. So you are bound to make a mistake only if you consider EBIDTA as a proxy for CFO.
 
yoiu are comparing ebitda and CFO(making ebitda ur cfo in essence)
and thereby ignoring changes in wc
if your wc is growing …. ebitda overstates cfo
 
That’s what I’m saying. If you don’t assume EBITDA ≡ CFO you won’t have the problem in the first place.
 
That is correct, but thats not what the question asks. The whole point of the question is to determine if you know the differences basically.
 
krokodilizm wrote:
S2000magician wrote:It’s not a matter of manipulating receivables and payables.
When you calculate CFO via the indirect method, you start, essentially, with EBITDA, then subtract the change in working capital. If working capital is growing, that change will be positive; by stopping at EBITDA, you don’t subtract that positive change.
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Are you implying US GAAP here because as far as I know IFRS, CFO indirect method is calculated from EBT.
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Actually, you start with net income, add non-cash charges, subtract non-cash revenues, add losses, subtract gains, then subtract the change in net working capital.
I said “essentially EBITDA” because I didn’t want to complicate the discussion with taxes and interest and gains and losses and lose the focus. The point was to focus on EBITDA vs. CFO.
 
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