Hedgefund Analyst wannabe....

Like wegowayback said, something doesn't add up here. 80k for a midwest entry level FA position? Usually these are heavily commission based.

Look, there's nothing wrong with it, and I've seen people make great careers and lots of money doing this kind of work, but you're not gonna get a PM job at a HF from this.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at Thursday, October 5, 2006 at 11:11AM by Randall.
 
Arrow, as randall pointed out, the term portfolio manager is thrown around quite loosely. in a hedge fund, a portfolio manager is someone who is actively trying to beat the market with a specific strategy say global macro, convertible arbitrage, event driven etc. it's what you think of when you think of the term "fund manager". danny boy mentioned previously that being a trader has nothing to do with being a PM, but from what i know, most HF PMs are either former equity research analysts or prop traders (more for fixed income). perhaps he could clarify that as i would also be curious to know what he is basing that on?

i have some friends in private banking, and from what i've gathered portfolio managers there manage money, but in a role more similar to an FA. i'm no expert, and to be honest i'm not sure what the difference between a private wealth PM and FA is exactly in private wealth... but i'd assume they manage all aspects of your portfolio... when someone is managing your overall asset allocations including your equities, fixed income, alternative investments etc. i find it hard see how they'd have the time to generate alpha without specializing and while still having to deal with all the sales related stuff you need to do in private wealth.

that being said if you are seeking the latter type of "PM", you might have a good chance with the role you mentioned. if like you said you are seeking to be a PM at a HF, it may be a little more difficult. either way, its def. a solid job. anyway, take my advice for what its worht. much of it is based on conjecture, and if anyone has any input on where i've gone wrong i'd love to hear more on the subject of what constitutes a "PM".
 
stylemog Wrote:
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> danny boy
> mentioned previously that being a trader has
> nothing to do with being a PM, but from what i
> know, most HF PMs are either former equity
> research analysts or prop traders (more for fixed
> income). perhaps he could clarify that as i would
> also be curious to know what he is basing that
> on?

I didn't mention that being a trader has nothing to do with being a PM. I said that being a trader's %$^@# isn't as applicable as the other position.
 
i have some friends in private banking, and from what i've gathered portfolio managers there manage money, but in a role more similar to an FA. i'm no expert, and to be honest i'm not sure what the difference between a private wealth PM and FA is exactly in private wealth... but i'd assume they manage all aspects of your portfolio... when someone is managing your overall asset allocations including your equities, fixed income, alternative investments etc. i find it hard see how they'd have the time to generate alpha without specializing and while still having to deal with all the sales related stuff you need to do in private wealth.


I work in one of these roles for a large trust company. While it is very hard to generate alpha it does happen but at a much lower level then a HF. 1-4% over the S&P is enough to make our clients happy. For the most part all clients are the same, over 60 with a ton of money and just want somewhere to park it. While it is one of our name funds it gives them peace of mind to say they are in the market and we get comped for doing it. Quite well considering the work you do. It is fairly a 40-55 hour a week job not too much risk since the firms policy and control keep your allocation in line. While I looked away from these roles while in college it has been a great fit for me. Key word; me. While my fellow college mates are working a ton and making a ton; I am enjoying life. I am in an IA role and have a book of 20-24 clients now and should have a full book in 3 years of maybe 400-600 MM. It is a very relationship driven role and the right attitude will serve your career better then your investment goals. Sucks but that is the way it is. Hope this helps.
 
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