Hypothesis testing

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Hello,
I am confuse about when we cant reject null hypothesis then, what is difference between these two conclusion ?
1) Can not conclude that corelation cooefficient is significant.
2) Can conclude that corelation cooefficient is not signigicant .
Thanks
 
The null hypothesis is that the slope is zero. If we do not have enough evidence to reject the null hypothesis, then we conclude that the slope might not be significant (i.e., that it might be zero).
 
Chirantana wrote:
Hello,
I am confuse about when we cant reject null hypothesis then, what is difference between these two conclusion ?
1) Can not conclude that corelation cooefficient is significant.
2) Can conclude that corelation cooefficient is not signigicant .
Thanks
1) and 2) are the same, but they are answering different questions.
In the first one the researcher might asking if the coefficient is different than zero (statistically significant).
In the second one he might asking if the coefficient is equal to zero (not statistically significant)
The common questions are like the second one, so the 2) is the common answer too.
Regards
 
Hi ,
For above query the details are as following :
n=36 ; Correlation Cooefficient = -0.28 ; significance level = 5% and critical value = 2
Calculated t = -1.7
Clearly we will reject Ho
after this I am confused about significant part.
Do I have to link this with p value to conclude that cooefficient is significant or second option of my original query is just a statement to confuse candidate.
Thanks
 
Hi,
When we can not reject the null hypothesis that means there is no statistically significant relation between the variables.
thus we can conclude second conclusion but in answer its first one.
Thanks
 
This is not tricky. I think you missing some things.
Correlation coefficient can be from -1 to +1, so its center is Zero. If you check the T-test for testing correlation coefficient significance, you can see that the T-test can be negative too. So, if your calculated t is -1.7, your t critical value must be -2, not 2. Why? Because this is a two-tailed test. In this case, as the calculated t is higher than critical (remeber they are negatives), you FAIL to reject the Ho, or you accept the alternative hypotesis.
I prefer to use the absolute value of the calculated T and the critical values, so I dont get confused when they are negatives.
| calc. T | > | critical value | = Reject Ho
| calc. T | < | critical value | = Fail to Reject Ho (accept the alternative)
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Pro Tip Of The Day !
All T-test use n - 2 degrees of freedom.
Regards
 
Harrogath wrote:
This is not tricky. I think you missing some things.
Correlation coefficient can be from -1 to +1, so its center is Zero. If you check the T-test for testing correlation coefficient significance, you can see that the T-test can be negative too. So, if your calculated t is -1.7, your t critical value must be -2, not 2. Why? Because this is a two-tailed test. In this case, as the calculated t is higher than critical (remeber they are negatives), you FAIL to reject the Ho, or you accept the alternative hypotesis. Failing to reject the null doesn’t mean that you have evidence to support the alternative hypothesis. Failing to reject Ho means that you have insufficient evidence of the alternative hypothesis– Failing to reject Ho and finding evidence of the alternative hypothesis are mutually exclusive outcomes of the hypothesis test.
I prefer to use the absolute value of the calculated T and the critical values, so I dont get confused when they are negatives.
| calc. T | > | critical value | = Reject Ho (Sufficient statistical evidence of the alternative hypothesis)
| calc. T | < | critical value | = Fail to Reject Ho (insufficient evidence in favor of the alternative)
———————————————————-
Pro Tip Of The Day !
All T-test use n - 2 degrees of freedom. Not true, at all.
Regards
 
tickersu wrote:
Harrogath wrote:
This is not tricky. I think you missing some things.
Correlation coefficient can be from -1 to +1, so its center is Zero. If you check the T-test for testing correlation coefficient significance, you can see that the T-test can be negative too. So, if your calculated t is -1.7, your t critical value must be -2, not 2. Why? Because this is a two-tailed test. In this case, as the calculated t is higher than critical (remeber they are negatives), you FAIL to reject the Ho, or you accept the alternative hypotesis. Failing to reject the null doesn’t mean that you have evidence to support the alternative hypothesis. Failing to reject Ho means that you have insufficient evidence of the alternative hypothesis– Failing to reject Ho and finding evidence of the alternative hypothesis are mutually exclusive outcomes of the hypothesis test. …(A)
I prefer to use the absolute value of the calculated T and the critical values, so I dont get confused when they are negatives.
| calc. T | > | critical value | = Reject Ho (Sufficient statistical evidence of the alternative hypothesis) … (B)
| calc. T | < | critical value | = Fail to Reject Ho (insufficient evidence in favor of the alternative) … (C)
———————————————————-
Pro Tip Of The Day !
All T-test use n - 2 degrees of freedom. Not true, at all. … (D)
Regards
(A): I’m agree with your statement. Thats why we cannot say “Accept the alternative”, we say “Fail to reject the null”. I wrote it just to make it easier to differientiate from Fail to Reject Ho (this always a confusing part when learning Hyphotesis test” for students)
(B): Isn’t it going against A) ?
(C): Ok with this, but be careful when replying like this, you can generate confusion. It seems you renaming what I wrote when in fact you are claryfing your statement (A)
(D): At least, T-tests for slopes, intercept and other coefficients in regression analysis is done with n-2 df
 
Harrogath wrote:
tickersu wrote:
Harrogath wrote:
This is not tricky. I think you missing some things.
Correlation coefficient can be from -1 to +1, so its center is Zero. If you check the T-test for testing correlation coefficient significance, you can see that the T-test can be negative too. So, if your calculated t is -1.7, your t critical value must be -2, not 2. Why? Because this is a two-tailed test. In this case, as the calculated t is higher than critical (remeber they are negatives), you FAIL to reject the Ho, or you accept the alternative hypotesis. Failing to reject the null doesn’t mean that you have evidence to support the alternative hypothesis. Failing to reject Ho means that you have insufficient evidence of the alternative hypothesis– Failing to reject Ho and finding evidence of the alternative hypothesis are mutually exclusive outcomes of the hypothesis test. …(A)
I prefer to use the absolute value of the calculated T and the critical values, so I dont get confused when they are negatives.
| calc. T | > | critical value | = Reject Ho (Sufficient statistical evidence of the alternative hypothesis) … (B)
| calc. T | < | critical value | = Fail to Reject Ho (insufficient evidence in favor of the alternative) … (C)
———————————————————-
Pro Tip Of The Day !
All T-test use n - 2 degrees of freedom. Not true, at all. … (D)
Regards
(A): I’m agree with your statement. Thats why we cannot say “Accept the alternative”, we say “Fail to reject the null”. I wrote it just to make it easier to differientiate from Fail to Reject Ho (this always a confusing part when learning Hyphotesis test” for students) No, we say “Fail to reject the null” instead of “Accept the null”. It has to do with making a Type II error, for which we can’t easily assess the probability of occurrence. If I say “accept the alternative” this means I have evidence against Ho (reject Ho). You cannot both fail to reject Ho and accept the alternative at the same time.
(B): Isn’t it going against A) ? No, see the previous reply. Remember, we have two “states of nature” for the test (Ho is assumed true, and we are searching for evidence of Ha). From our test, we either find evidence of the alternative or we do not. If we reject the null (Ho), we are saying that our evidence leads us to disagree with Ho, and the evidence supports the alternative.
(C): Ok with this, but be careful when replying like this, you can generate confusion. It seems you renaming what I wrote when in fact you are claryfing your statement (A) I am rewriting what you wrote, not clarifying my statement. You said “Fail to reject Ho (accept the alternative)”. This isn’t correct, since these two ideas are mutually exclusive. Your statement is the equivalent of “I cannot disagree with Ho and I have evidence of Ha (disagreeing with Ho)”. I changed your statment to be correct. Failing to reject Ho means that you do not “accept” Ha (you have insufficient evidence to support Ha).
(D): At least, T-tests for slopes, intercept and other coefficients in regression analysis is done with n-2 df This (df) is dependent on the number of estimated parameters in the regression (for your example). If you have an intercept and one independent variable (one estimated slope), then n-2 is correct (account for 1 intercept + 1 slope). If you have an intercept and two independent variables (two estimated slopes), then n-3 is correct (1 intercept + 2 slopes). In general, n-k-1 is the way to calculate degrees of freedom in one of these t-tests (n is sample size, k is coefficients estimated aside from the intercept, and 1 accounts for the estimated intercept).
Hope this helps!
 
(A) I meant that “accept the alternative” is usually used instead of ”Fail to reject Ho” which is wrong because the reasons we have already exposed.
(B) Ok.
(C) Lets this part there.
(D) Yes, you right, my bad. Df = n - k -1, just rememberd now why you need an adequate or minimal number of observations when your model has many variables. Using many variables and a few observations causes your DF are reduced bad so your Confidence Intervals for coefficients are wider giving you more uncertainty about the results. Models must be parsimonious !
 
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