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On a test like the CFA exam, I was never close enough to another person that copying from their exam was even imaginable. I can’t understand why one would even try to cheat this way. To peer over and figure out what tiny oval they had filled in on a sheet filled with tiny ovals? And then to assume that this person was any more likely to have the right answer than me. And to say that the likely gain from doing this versus the risk of getting caught is worth it, particularly when there is no penalty for simply guessing.gringo_bob wrote:
if you got caught out by similarity analysis presumably you copied answers from the person next to you? if so, what happened to the person you copied from?
Perhaps when i took my exams i didn’t think i had much of accomplishments, and honestly, if i get banned from CFA, big deal, i won’t go to jail for it, i just have to change career, it’s not like this is the only career option i have.geo wrote:
This comment reflects what I said above. Most cheaters are only embarassed because they’re caught or outed in front of their peers. Someone that thinks like that, I would suggest, is a likely cheater at some point (at work, school, whatever).NANA Hachiko wrote:I think there are a million ways to cheat if you want to at the test site, but i wouldn’t dare because it is an instant humiliation in front of thousand of people.
I wouldn’t dare because it destroys the integrity of my accomplishment, my career and therefore my life
Well i wouldn’t copy someone else’s answer simply because statistically speaking, the candidate is more likely to be wrong than correct.bchad wrote:
On a test like the CFA exam, I was never close enough to another person that copying from their exam was even imaginable. I can’t understand why one would even try to cheat this way. To peer over and figure out what tiny oval they had filled in on a sheet filled with tiny ovals? And then to assume that this person was any more likely to have the right answer than me. And to say that the likely gain from doing this versus the risk of getting caught is worth it, particularly when there is no penalty for simply guessing.gringo_bob wrote:
if you got caught out by similarity analysis presumably you copied answers from the person next to you? if so, what happened to the person you copied from?
As much as I loathe cheating, we need people like this in markets. How else can we make money off of the momentum factor??
I assume that you mean that you’d rather randomly guess than cheat. To randomly guess, then cheat is very, very different.NANA Hachiko wrote:I’d rather randomly guess then cheat.
Yes, THAN - typo ^_^S2000magician wrote:
I assume that you mean that you’d rather randomly guess than cheat. To randomly guess, then cheat is very, very different.NANA Hachiko wrote:I’d rather randomly guess then cheat.
It’s an interesing question. Statistically speaking, you are more likely to get the right answer by copying the candidate than by guessing, assuming that the average candidate has put in some useful study time. That doesn’t mean that the candidate is more likely to be right than wrong: it just means that the candidate’s chance of getting something right is most likely higher than pure guessing.NANA Hachiko wrote:
Well i wouldn’t copy someone else’s answer simply because statistically speaking, the candidate is more likely to be wrong than correct.bchad wrote:
On a test like the CFA exam, I was never close enough to another person that copying from their exam was even imaginable. I can’t understand why one would even try to cheat this way. To peer over and figure out what tiny oval they had filled in on a sheet filled with tiny ovals? And then to assume that this person was any more likely to have the right answer than me. And to say that the likely gain from doing this versus the risk of getting caught is worth it, particularly when there is no penalty for simply guessing.gringo_bob wrote:
if you got caught out by similarity analysis presumably you copied answers from the person next to you? if so, what happened to the person you copied from?
As much as I loathe cheating, we need people like this in markets. How else can we make money off of the momentum factor??
I’d rather randomly guess then cheat.
This assumes no costs to cheating:bchad wrote:
It gets trickier if you have to make the statement of: what is the chance of the other candidate getting the right answer, given the fact that you are choosing not to solve the problem, but to guess vs. copy. I’m not sure how one would do that calculation without more info on the guy next to you and whether you feel you studied adequately for that section or not.
I didn’t think about it that way, but you are right, randomly guess is roughly 33% and pass score has been around 38-50% depending on the level…bchad wrote:
It’s an interesing question. Statistically speaking, you are more likely to get the right answer by copying the candidate than by guessing, assuming that the average candidate has put in some useful study time. That doesn’t mean that the candidate is more likely to be right than wrong: it just means that the candidate’s chance of getting something right is most likely higher than pure guessing.
It gets trickier if you have to make the statement of: what is the chance of the other candidate getting the right answer, given the fact that you are choosing not to solve the problem, but to guess vs. copy. I’m not sure how one would do that calculation without more info on the guy next to you and whether you feel you studied adequately for that section or not.
But given that guessing has essentially no risk of being cited for cheating, and that copying the candidate does (and even more so if you have to peer over and figure out which answer to copy), the risk/return ratio for copying is SO bad that it’s hard to figure out if there are ANY conditions where it makes sense to copy.
Perhaps CFAI is right to ban such people forever. Given that there is virtually no benefit in copying under these circumstances, people who actually do copy probably do it simply out of habit, and are therefore unlikely to stop simply because they were caught once.
Agreed. I have no idea how much time the person next to me spent on the exam. I have no idea what they know and what they don’t know. I like using my brain rather than somebody else’s.NANA Hachiko wrote:
Well i wouldn’t copy someone else’s answer simply because statistically speaking, the candidate is more likely to be wrong than correct.