Net worth

It is also good to have a big gold chain around the neck. If something happen you can sell it and pay an attorney. This chain (about 2-3 kg) is also a liquid asset.
 
Yes, if you have a large gold object with significant value, you should include that in your net worth. What are you saying?
 
ohai wrote:
Yes, if you have a large gold object with significant value, you should include that in your net worth. What are you saying?
Net worth of ohai < Mr. T
 
Hold liquid assets only, easy portable especially if you live in turbulent area. Otherwise, your net worth in the form of RE may suddenly deteriorate. If something happens, cut & run away. And it’s good to have a supply of canned food and water, may be worth more than everything under some circumstances.
 
Sweep the Leg wrote:
^The actual answer: It’s a huge outlier for the average person so it skews results. You could almost think of a person’s net worth being like a company’s Quick Ratio. You take cash and marketable securities (and accounts receivable, but that just makes the metaphor more confusing) and divide it by short term liabilities. A house wouldn’t fall into either the nominator or denominator. It’s illiquid so not immediately marketable. Or, it’s a long-term liability.
By removing it entirely, you get a pretty clear picture of that person’s current financial well-being.
You’re basically saying that all other things being equal, renters are worth more than homeowners. While I agree that they are certainly more liquid, I disagree with the idea that buying a house hurts your net worth and hurts your financial well being.
 
yea i dont understand why people continue paying an underwater asset. at that point, i would stop paying, and live for 1 year free of rent. lol.
some people may say this is immoral. but the banks know whats up. we’re all willing players. the banks know what collateral means, they shoulda asked for more dp. charged a higher rate, etc.
Flashback wrote:
ohai wrote:
If I have a $20 million house and $1 million cash, that is a lot better than having $1 million without the house.
..and $25 M mortgage liability. Net worth = negative. If you don’t have a family, rather hold cash and liquid assets and rent a house or an apartment. You may also easy transfer your wealth and run away from current location if necessary.
 
Flashback wrote:
ohai wrote:
If I have a $20 million house and $1 million cash, that is a lot better than having $1 million without the house.
..and $25 M mortgage liability. Net worth = negative. If you don’t have a family, rather hold cash and liquid assets and rent a house or an apartment. You may also easy transfer your wealth and run away from current location if necessary.
Well if you’re not counting home related assets or liabilities then you’d never know that the guy who is upside down on his mortgage has a -$4 million net worth.
 
cj4g wrote:
Sweep the Leg wrote:
^The actual answer: It’s a huge outlier for the average person so it skews results. You could almost think of a person’s net worth being like a company’s Quick Ratio. You take cash and marketable securities (and accounts receivable, but that just makes the metaphor more confusing) and divide it by short term liabilities. A house wouldn’t fall into either the nominator or denominator. It’s illiquid so not immediately marketable. Or, it’s a long-term liability.
By removing it entirely, you get a pretty clear picture of that person’s current financial well-being.
You’re basically saying that all other things being equal, renters are worth more than homeowners. While I agree that they are certainly more liquid, I disagree with the idea that buying a house hurts your net worth and hurts your financial well being.
That’s not at all what I was saying. I was just explaining why homes are left out of many net worth calculations.
 
I’d add the home equity to all other (assets - liabilities) to calculate net worth.
#ButThatsMe
 
Flashback wrote:
ohai wrote:
If I have a $20 million house and $1 million cash, that is a lot better than having $1 million without the house.
..and $25 M mortgage liability. Net worth = negative. If you don’t have a family, rather hold cash and liquid assets and rent a house or an apartment. You may also easy transfer your wealth and run away from current location if necessary.
If anyone has a 25MM mortgage then at 4% rate the person is paying $1.4MM a year on mortgage which means he is making a bank. Anyone who makes over $2MM a year on a consistent basis to secure a loan like that is worth millions and definitely in the top 1%.
If you actually build a “model” that compares “rent vs ownership’ it becomes very very clear that hands down owning a home is infinitely beneficial compared to renting.
 
infinitybenzo wrote:
If anyone has a 25MM mortgage then at 4% rate the person is paying $1.4MM a year on mortgage which means he is making a bank. Anyone who makes over $2MM a year on a consistent basis to secure a loan like that is worth millions and definitely in the top 1%.
That’s normal situation in many countries maybe is not usual in yours. It is not easy to get mortgage loan on some emerging markets and it is expensive source of financing and is often overcoraterallized. It is often situation for mortgage borrowers on emergings that must enter into loan in currency other than domicile and are exposed to currency and floating IR risk over long term. There are mortgage with expiration of 20-30 years.
infinitybenzo wrote:
If you actually build a “model” that compares “rent vs ownership’ it becomes very very clear that hands down owning a home is infinitely beneficial compared to renting.
Maybe if you have family thus home would be an inheritance for your children. Or your home is in attractive area, has its residual value which may appreciate as time passes.
What if you purchased home in not so attractive area which cannot be easily sold and you changed your mind but still have an expensive mortgage debt?
What about property taxes? What about maintenance costs which may be partially covered by some rent contracts.
What if your job description consider frequent migration, even outside of your domicile country.
Owning home is still attractive vs renting in each situation?
 
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