Quit Now While You Still Can

You want to take career advice from some douche with only a few years work experience sitting in that well reknowned financial behemoth of Djibouti go right ahead. Hey maybe he’s just bitter but karma’s a b1tch.
Otherwise ignore his efforts at trolling and just crack on with whatever it is you want to do. Attaining a CFA is a worthy objective in and of itself. Nobody ever said becoming a CFA Charterholder or getting a college degree guarantees you a job - but it helps.
The reality is though that the pass rate for Level 1 is low so there are a lot who will fall at the first hurdle. Level 1 seperates the wheat from the chaff. It only scratches the surface of what you need to know in Level 2. If you really struggled here beware as Level 2 is a monster. There is just no comparison with Level 1. Schweser will help you digest that quicker but the CFAI books are what you need to know. You are not merely trying to pass a test, you are trying to absorb a body of knowledge. There is a difference and that is what the Chartership represents.
None of the stuff in any of the levels is conceptually hard, it’s just that there is a vast volume of information to get through and retain and understand in such a short timeframe. If you are young or fresh out of college I would do it now. I am older with family and believe me it sucks telling you kids you can’t go to watch them play sport or spend some really enjoyable time with them because you have to study for an exam. And that has been my reality for the last 18 months. Hopefully my journey is over. I think I did well in the exam. I have been in the industry for 15 years all of that either front office for big IBs or running money in the private wealth sector and I wish I had done this earlier in my life.
I did it because:
a) I love what I do and recognise that continually educating myself in finance helps me understand other areas I was ignorant of and helps me perform better in my job and
b) There are very few professional designations worth anything in Finance and after 15 years I wanted something real to show for it. The CFA Chartership is in my opinion the best out there.
Yes I did CAIA as well only because there was a lot of overlap and I spend considerable time working in Alts and Structured securities so already knew thre area well. But really there are like 5000 CAIA Charterholders out there. When you have to explain what it is to anynoe who asks to someone you realise what its worth. The CFA Charter is not like that.
Don’t let some frustrated dude in the backwater of finance deter you from what is a worthy goal. “Equities in Dallas” would be a better moniker for him.
Itera - what happend you? When you were going through Level 2 and 3 you used to be more helpful. I certainly hope that if I am lucky enough to get the CFA Chartership I remember how much others helped me on this forum and hope to return that manyfold.
 
I dont work in Djibouti. Really, this has nothing to do with me,. I’m just trying to tell the kiddies here the truth about this charter and what it means.
If you have the job that requires it, go for it. If you don’t then go do something else.
 
Thanks for the discourse. It’s good to see things in various perspectives and will help us in our decision-making in whichever station we are at.
 
I’m a level III candidtate, and I hope I passed this year. I tend to think that there are many of you who didn’t get a job out of undergrad and decided to pursue the CFA instead. I worked for a few years before I started this endeavor, and it’s been brutal but I’ve learned quite a lot.
That said…
I think the best thing to supplement your career is to learn how to program. I mean basic stuff, VBA and SQL. The amount of dividends that wll pay to you is enormous. You want and entry position? You’re going to be doing a lot of mundane tasks for awhile. If you learn how to program, you’re going to have more time to figure out the business side much more. You’ll also be able to manipulate data in a way that takes your boss forever as he plods through pivot tables. CFA has helped me, but my ability to program has helped much more as a PM.
 
Riptrix wrote:
That said…
I think the best thing to supplement your career is to learn how to program. I mean basic stuff, VBA and SQL. The amount of dividends that wll pay to you is enormous. You want and entry position? You’re going to be doing a lot of mundane tasks for awhile. If you learn how to program, you’re going to have more time to figure out the business side much more. You’ll also be able to manipulate data in a way that takes your boss forever as he plods through pivot tables. CFA has helped me, but my ability to program has helped much more as a PM.
It’s so nice that someone on this board mentions programming. I’m about to start this myself. I bought “financial modelling” by Simon Benninga and a John Walkenbach book on VBA in excel. Highly recommend it.
As for SQL, I might start that soon as well. Anyone got recommendations on books or websites to learn this?
 
converts wrote:
Schweser will help you digest that quicker but the CFAI books are what you need to know. You are not merely trying to pass a test, you are trying to absorb a body of knowledge. There is a difference and that is what the Chartership represents.
So, from your experience, Schweser is a good study tool for CFA? I just did my level 1 exam and used Schweser notes. I did Schweser mock exams and scored on average above 70%. Yet, i feel the real exam was somehow off from Schweser, in terms of difficulties, and the areas of being tested. Schweser mocks were harder than the real exam and I focused too much on understanding the materials tested on Schwesers well I didn’t expect that much of easy materials were tested on CFA exam (Hope I am ot violating anything by saying those).
Therefore, being said, I am not sure if I did well enough to pass, hopefully I did. The CFA level 1 exam wasn’t hard, but I might not do well on some questions cuz I didn’t expect some easy concepts and questions were tested….
 
Hmm, I am taking for this test for a completely different reason. I work as an analyst at a regular company (not financial), moreso a data cruncher for a tourism company. I have a master’s in economics, while impressive sure, entirely theoretical and not applicable to the real world. I’d like to advance my career - I have two options, either an MBA or a CFA. Both very different sure, an MBA costs a lot more, may cover a lot of the things I know already. CFA may be a lot of things I may or may not need, but at least Level 1 will give me a basis for the finance knowledge that I lack. Hey, I had to do something!
 
The Righteous Hacksaw wrote:
Hey Guys,
I just passed level 3. How do I know? I know.
In any case, I thought I would impart some wisdom on you poor bastards as one of my last acts on this forum.
1) This qualification is a long and difficult process. It isn’t worth it.
2) Unless your job makes you do this, I would not do it. I do not see the benefit unless your employer is requiring it.
3) I’m assuming you already have a job in the industry that requires it. If you do not, you should quit. It’s not worth it.
4) This will not get you into the industry. If you have BO, no social skills, and generally suck at life having a CFA charter will not get you a job in finance. Whereas smelling good, having good social skills, and being a winner in life will get you a job in the finance industry without a charter.
5) If you are Asian, getting this qualification will not make you special. We already know that Asians can take tests and get good scores. If you can maybe differentiate yourself by demonstrating soft skills that would be a much more impressive thing.
6) By the time you get the charter you will be far enough along in your career that you won’t really need it. Unless you are one of these idiots that thinks that getting the charter will lead them to a job in the industry.
7) The high average salary of charterholders is not caused by the charter. It is just correllated with the few Asset Managers and Analysts that used to get the charter 10 years ago. These guys make money. You will not.
So, basically, I think you should all quit this program. Unless your boss is making you do it and paying for it go learn another computing code language, cause you’re never making the switch.
Hey Guys,
I, too, just passed Level 3. How do I know? I just know.
And racist banter and abrasiveness aside, I agree for the most part with the OP.
#1 - I generally agree. If I could go back in time five years ago, I would NOT attempt the CFA exam.
#2 - I generally agree. Unless you have some real experience, I think that having the CFA charter will not gain you a lot of recognition. That is, nobody will hire you for an Equity Research position just because you pass the exam–you have to work in the field first, which leads us to….
#3 - Ditto #2. If your employer requires it, then it’s an obvious choice. Which leads us to….
#4 - If you don’t already work in the industry, I’m dubious as to how much the CFA will really open any doors for you. A better option (albeit an unpopular one) would be to become eligible for, and take the CPA exam. This will have immediate tangible benefits, and at least open some doors for you. Then it would be easier to transition into finance.
#5 - No comment.
#6 - Sounds more like a rant than a real criticism of the test or testees. (heh, heh…testees….)
#7 - I generally agree. Did you know that basketball players are, on average, about 6 inches taller than “normal” people? Therefore, if you want to get taller, start playing basketball. Similarly, CFA Charterholders make, on average, $X more than non-CFA’ers.
I do think that the OP was a little brash about his opinions, and maybe could use a lesson in tact, but I’m not sure that he’s really wrong. For the 1/3 of you who do pass and go on to Level 2, you will be surprised by how much it begins to consume your life.
 
Ahhh… Greenman. I was wondering when you would chime in…
 
Enough of those harsh ”truths”, anybody who studied or is currently studying for the charter and it actually helps you to advance your career?
 
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