Sale of available for sale securities

Parry0843

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I understand that gain and losses associated with available for sale securities are recorded in other comprehensive income.
Very nature of these securities means, they can be sold in the current year or can be held beyond current year.
When these available for sale securities are sold, why sale proceed from available for sale securities are considered in investing cash flow and not included in operating cash flow?
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Parry
 
Parry0843 wrote:
I understand that gain and losses associated with available for sale securities are recorded in other comprehensive income.
unrealized gains/lossed on OCI
 
Thanks oktavian for pointing it out.
But my question was more about sale proceed (cash inflow)..
why sale proceed from available for sale securities are considered in investing cash flow and not included in operating cash flow?”
 
Parry0843 wrote:
Thanks oktavian for pointing it out.
But my question was more about sale proceed (cash inflow)..
why sale proceed from available for sale securities are considered in investing cash flow and not included in operating cash flow?”
If the company sells burgers, then selling securities is not part of the firm’s operations.
If the company is in finacnial service or banking sector, then it makes money out of selling securities and it is part of operations.
It depends.
 
finding CFO by the direct method gives something like this (someone correct me if I’m wrong):

= cash received from customers
- cash paid to suppliers
- cash paid to employees
- cash paid for other operating expenses
- cash paid for interest
- cash paid for income taxes
for a non-financial company, the sale of financial assets is not part of normal business activities. CFI will include proceeds from the sale of long-term assets (financial or physical)
 
Thanks MrSmart and oktavian.
@MrSmart- If the question does not specify USGAPP or IFRS, what shall we assume by default?
@oktavian. In understand what you have specified, but Cash flow from Operating activities also include (under US GAAP) proceed for sale of securities held for trading.
If CFO can include securities held for trading and why not available for sale securities are considered as part of CFO (my small brain is struggling to understand …)?
 
I’m not clear on this but I know these are three distinct categories:
- held-to-maturity
- held for trading
- available-for-sale
the names are obvious for the first two, but the third one means it’s not one of the first two.
 
IFRS by default. Read the IAS 39, it explains the accounting treatment of financial assets.
Quote:
Classification of financial assets
IAS 39 requires financial assets to be classified in one of the following categories: [IAS 39.45]
  • Financial assets at fair value through profit or loss
  • Available-for-sale financial assets
  • Loans and receivables
  • Held-to-maturity investments
Those categories are used to determine how a particular financial asset is recognised and measured in the financial statements.
Financial assets at fair value through profit or loss. This category has two subcategories:
  • Designated. The first includes any financial asset that is designated on initial recognition as one to be measured at fair value with fair value changes in profit or loss.
  • Held for trading. The second category includes financial assets that are held for trading. All derivatives (except those designated hedging instruments) and financial assets acquired or held for the purpose of selling in the short term or for which there is a recent pattern of short-term profit taking are held for trading. [IAS 39.9]
Available-for-sale financial assets (AFS) are any non-derivative financial assets designated on initial recognition as available for sale or any other instruments that are not classified as as (a) loans and receivables, (b) held-to-maturity investments or (c) financial assets at fair value through profit or loss. [IAS 39.9] AFS assets are measured at fair value in the balance sheet. Fair value changes on AFS assets are recognised directly in equity, through the statement of changes in equity, except for interest on AFS assets (which is recognised in income on an effective yield basis), impairment losses and (for interest-bearing AFS debt instruments) foreign exchange gains or losses. The cumulative gain or loss that was recognised in equity is recognised in profit or loss when an available-for-sale financial asset is derecognised. [IAS 39.55(b)]
Loans and receivables are non-derivative financial assets with fixed or determinable payments that are not quoted in an active market, other than held for trading or designated on initial recognition as assets at fair value through profit or loss or as available-for-sale. Loans and receivables for which the holder may not recover substantially all of its initial investment, other than because of credit deterioration, should be classified as available-for-sale.[IAS 39.9] Loans and receivables are measured at amortised cost. [IAS 39.46(a)]
Held-to-maturity investments are non-derivative financial assets with fixed or determinable payments that an entity intends and is able to hold to maturity and that do not meet the definition of loans and receivables and are not designated on initial recognition as assets at fair value through profit or loss or as available for sale. Held-to-maturity investments are measured at amortised cost. If an entity sells a held-to-maturity investment other than in insignificant amounts or as a consequence of a non-recurring, isolated event beyond its control that could not be reasonably anticipated, all of its other held-to-maturity investments must be reclassified as available-for-sale for the current and next two financial reporting years. [IAS 39.9] Held-to-maturity investments are measured at amortised cost. [IAS 39.46(b)]
AFSS are non-derivative securities that are not expected to be held to maturity (except in the possibility of partial and full default of loans lent), they are all financial assets that do not fall under either held for trading, or held to maturity. For US GAAP, it is considered an investing cashflow because the proceeds of sale and price of purchase do not flow through the income statement. Since it’s not part of net income, then it cannot be part of CFO through the indirect method of calculation. CFO usually only includes items from the income statament.
 
Crystal clear and I could not have asked for any better explanation.
MrSmart - Thank you very much.
Parry
 
Parry0843 wrote:Thanks oktavian for pointing it out.
But my question was more about sale proceed (cash inflow)..
why sale proceed from available for sale securities are considered in investing cash flow and not included in operating cash flow?”
McDonalds isn’t in the business of buying Burger King stock. If it buys BK stock, holds it for three months, then sells it at a profit, the cash outflow when they but the stock is a CFI outflow, and the cash inflow when they sell the stock is a CFI inflow. They invested in Burger King.
 
S2000magician wrote:
Parry0843 wrote:Thanks oktavian for pointing it out.
But my question was more about sale proceed (cash inflow)..
why sale proceed from available for sale securities are considered in investing cash flow and not included in operating cash flow?”
McDonalds isn’t in the business of buying Burger King stock. If it buys BK stock, holds it for three months, then sells it at a profit, the cash outflow when they but the stock is a CFI outflow, and the cash inflow when they sell the stock is a CFI inflow. They invested in Burger King.
Umm…. That would be OCF in my books.
 
CMLSML wrote:
S2000magician wrote:
Parry0843 wrote:Thanks oktavian for pointing it out.
But my question was more about sale proceed (cash inflow)..
why sale proceed from available for sale securities are considered in investing cash flow and not included in operating cash flow?”
McDonalds isn’t in the business of buying Burger King stock. If it buys BK stock, holds it for three months, then sells it at a profit, the cash outflow when they but the stock is a CFI outflow, and the cash inflow when they sell the stock is a CFI inflow. They invested in Burger King.
Umm…. That would be OCF in my books.
OCF?
You think that McDonalds’ main business operation is to invest in Burger King stock?
 
S2000magician wrote:
CMLSML wrote:
S2000magician wrote:
Parry0843 wrote:Thanks oktavian for pointing it out.
But my question was more about sale proceed (cash inflow)..
why sale proceed from available for sale securities are considered in investing cash flow and not included in operating cash flow?”
McDonalds isn’t in the business of buying Burger King stock. If it buys BK stock, holds it for three months, then sells it at a profit, the cash outflow when they but the stock is a CFI outflow, and the cash inflow when they sell the stock is a CFI inflow. They invested in Burger King.
Umm…. That would be OCF in my books.
OCF?
You think that McDonalds’ main business operation is to invest in Burger King stock?
It’s not part of business, but you have to follow accounting regulations, whatever they are.
 
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