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So for those of you who have followed this tale that started back in October last year.. remember that the first punishment was that she was denied the ability to take the June exam.
Now, I hear that the girl in question has completely given up pursuing a finance career and the CFA program. Apparently the punishment was quite bad. She’s now apparently at some local school getting a master’s in something totally non-finance related.
 
Wow, talk about vigilante justice. I guess you are some sort of CFA Batman now.
 
I doubt the CFA could enforce any judgement that harsh. Sounds like she just gave up
 
If you have to cheat for the CFA in any shape or form, you were destined to quit eventually….
 
I just had to track down that earlier post.
Very interesting. Also, a little sad. I’m all for punishing the ones who take away my achievements but everyone knows that CFAI can be harsh.
Does no one else feel any pity?
 
I have no pity for this person. Not only did she lie to someone to get a job, but she lied to a person who would actually know that she was lying. So not only was she dishonest, but she was dishonest in a stupid way. Even if you are willing to forgive the dishonesty, she should be kicked out of the industry for sheer incompetence.
 
I’m not saying that what she did was not wrong. However, I can imagine making a stupid mistake like that once in my life. At that time, I would expect people to understand that it was a mistake.
Maybe she panicked when he asked her so directly. Would you come clean to a random person you don’t even know?
She should have been punished but not necessarily by being kicked out of the industry. There are a lot of bad people in this industry and she is definitely not the worst.
 
1) What she did was blatant.
2) No one “kicked her out of the industry”. That’s just a weak @ss excuse she made for giving up. She was weak to begin with.
 
Is everyone here claiming that they have not done (consciously or unconsciously) anything that violates CFAI standards? Everyone knows that the standards can be sometimes hard to follow when you aren’t filling in MCQ’s in a paper.
Just because we didn’t get caught, we get to point fingers and claim innocence.
Maybe she had her reasons for lying. She wouldn’t have done it if she was a millionaire, would she have?
My only point is that one shouldn’t judge her based on one line in her resume.
 
“I can imagine making a stupid mistake like that once in my life.”
Maybe you missed the original thread. She wrote this down on her resume. I’m pretty sure this was a conscious choice. “First offense” is not a valid excuse either. I would not hire this person, given that we can easily find similar candidates who did not lie. Maybe in 10 years, but not any time soon.
“Would you come clean to a random person you don’t even know?”
Most people would not have lied in the first place.
“She should have been punished but not necessarily by being kicked out of the industry.”
Ok, there is no actual thing as being kicked out of the industry. I was just using that as a figure of speech. It might have been more accurate to say “no one who hears about her violation would hire her”.
“There are a lot of bad people in this industry and she is definitely not the worst.”
That’s like saying that we should forgive rapists because other people have committed multiple rapes.
 
I didn’t go over the previous threat thoroughly but I understand what she did. I’m just saying that we can’t obviously change what has happened. But, we can at least have some pity now knowing what happened to her.
To your analogy of there being many rapists (which was a bit extreme), we are talking about something very platonic here. You are judging someones life based on how they misrepresented the CFA designation. Is this REALLY that hard to understand?
 
“Just because we didn’t get caught, we get to point fingers and claim innocence”
I claim innocence - I didn’t lie on my resume.
“She wouldn’t have done it if she was a millionaire, would she have?”
So non-millionaires are free to do amoral things?
“My only point is that one shouldn’t judge her based on one line in her resume.”
The relevant point is that she lied. The fact that it was on a resume makes it more important. The resume is the way you represent yourself professionally. It’s different from say, if I lie to some chicks in a bar.
Even if her punishment is harsh, it’s hard to say that it’s inappropriate. Basically, two things happened: 1) CFAI probably banned her, and 2) employers who hear about this will probably not hire her. Which of these is inappropriate? CFAI should ban or sanction her - they are very explicit that they will do this if you lie about the credential . As for employers - if you knew that someone lied on their resume in the past, are you going to be the person who brings them aboard? If you want to take that risk, then good for you. I would not.
 
I’m not judging her life. I’m just saying: 1) CFAI should ban/sanction her, and 2) lying is a good reason to not hire someone. Which of these do you disagree with?
 
Again, I am not against the punishment that she received. Obviously what she did (knowing that CFAI found her guilty) was wrong.
I’m just referring to the reaction given to her being punished this way. Does it really give you joy? Does the OP never feel bad about it? (I’m not saying that he did wrong by reporting her, he has a family to feed too and having people who fake credentials could take away his livelihood. However, does it not dawn on him that HE had to be the one to tell on her? Many people had access to her resume and any employer could have chosen to verify them.)
Anyway, I guess it is a matter of opinion and there is no right or wrong. I understand and respect yours and I hope you feel the same way about mine.
OP, do you know what she might be doing right now? Broadly, arts? Science?
 
I would be more inclined to respect your point of view if I could figure out what you said. Are you saying that OP should not have reported her?
 
ohai wrote:I would be more inclined to respect your point of view if I could figure out what you said. Are you saying that OP should not have reported her?
If I waz the OP, I would not have. But das me. In my experience, snitches get stiches. No one likes a tattle tale. But however the OP gets his rocks off is his own business.
 
First, I do not “get off” on what I did. She was sending out these resumes by the dozens on a weekly basis. How would you feel if you were an unemployed legit L3 candidate that was passed up for an interview that she got instead?
It’s rather unfortunate the CFAI will not confirm anyone’s current candidate status, so I essentially had no other way to verify this situation except to inquire to CFAI directly.
The resume is probably one of the most important pieces of paper in your life. People will judge you on it, and by doing something blatant as putting down L3 when you only passed L1 is crossing the line.
People fluff resumes all the time, helping a kid study math makes you a “part time tutor” on paper etc.. But this was way beyond that gray area
 
I might not have reported her. However, that would only be because feelings of guilt over the consequences might outweigh my sense of justice. OP had the balls to do the right thing.
 
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