Tired of Money
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Black Swan
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YES.
One of my all time favorite passages, from the conclusion of Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance:
“…you get a pretty accurate basic description of modern American technology; stylized cars and stylized outboard motors and stylized typewriters and stylized clothes. Stylized refrigerators, filled with stylized food in stylized kitchens in stylized houses. Plastic stylized toys for stylized children, who at Christmas and birthdays are in style with their stylish parents. You have to be awfully stylish yourself not to get sick of it once in a while. It’s the style that gets you; technological ugliness syruped over with romantic phoniness in an effort to produce beauty and profit by people who, though stylish, don’t know where to start because no one has ever told them there’s such a thing as Quality in this world and it’s real, not style. Quality isn’t something you lay on top of subjects and objects like tinsel on a Christmas tree. Real quality must be the source of the subjects and objects, the cone from which the tree must start.”
I really wonder why I chose finance. Living a life surrounded by dollars and decimals makes it kind of hard to get out of bed on a weekday without vomiting.
One of my all time favorite passages, from the conclusion of Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance:
“…you get a pretty accurate basic description of modern American technology; stylized cars and stylized outboard motors and stylized typewriters and stylized clothes. Stylized refrigerators, filled with stylized food in stylized kitchens in stylized houses. Plastic stylized toys for stylized children, who at Christmas and birthdays are in style with their stylish parents. You have to be awfully stylish yourself not to get sick of it once in a while. It’s the style that gets you; technological ugliness syruped over with romantic phoniness in an effort to produce beauty and profit by people who, though stylish, don’t know where to start because no one has ever told them there’s such a thing as Quality in this world and it’s real, not style. Quality isn’t something you lay on top of subjects and objects like tinsel on a Christmas tree. Real quality must be the source of the subjects and objects, the cone from which the tree must start.”
I really wonder why I chose finance. Living a life surrounded by dollars and decimals makes it kind of hard to get out of bed on a weekday without vomiting.
bodhisattva
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Black Swan Wrote:
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> YES.
>
> One of my all time favorite passages, from the
> conclusion of Zen & The Art of Motorcycle
> Maintenance:
>
> “…you get a pretty accurate basic description of
> modern American technology; stylized cars and
> stylized outboard motors and stylized typewriters
> and stylized clothes. Stylized refrigerators,
> filled with stylized food in stylized kitchens in
> stylized houses. Plastic stylized toys for
> stylized children, who at Christmas and birthdays
> are in style with their stylish parents. You have
> to be awfully stylish yourself not to get sick of
> it once in a while. It’s the style that gets you;
> technological ugliness syruped over with romantic
> phoniness in an effort to produce beauty and
> profit by people who, though stylish, don’t know
> where to start because no one has ever told them
> there’s such a thing as Quality in this world and
> it’s real, not style. Quality isn’t something you
> lay on top of subjects and objects like tinsel on
> a Christmas tree. Real quality must be the source
> of the subjects and objects, the cone from which
> the tree must start.”
>
> I really wonder why I chose finance. Living a
> life surrounded by dollars and decimals makes it
> kind of hard to get out of bed on a weekday
> without vomiting.
Werd, Id much rather teach orphaned Vietnamese landmine survivors interpretive dance.
On a serious note, if you don’t like your job then why do it, other then to pay your bills? I hate my job which is why I also do a lot of volunteer work and I am looking for a different position. I think a lot of what is holding people in finance from switching careers is ego and this almost sick sense of self worth we derive from our careers.
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> YES.
>
> One of my all time favorite passages, from the
> conclusion of Zen & The Art of Motorcycle
> Maintenance:
>
> “…you get a pretty accurate basic description of
> modern American technology; stylized cars and
> stylized outboard motors and stylized typewriters
> and stylized clothes. Stylized refrigerators,
> filled with stylized food in stylized kitchens in
> stylized houses. Plastic stylized toys for
> stylized children, who at Christmas and birthdays
> are in style with their stylish parents. You have
> to be awfully stylish yourself not to get sick of
> it once in a while. It’s the style that gets you;
> technological ugliness syruped over with romantic
> phoniness in an effort to produce beauty and
> profit by people who, though stylish, don’t know
> where to start because no one has ever told them
> there’s such a thing as Quality in this world and
> it’s real, not style. Quality isn’t something you
> lay on top of subjects and objects like tinsel on
> a Christmas tree. Real quality must be the source
> of the subjects and objects, the cone from which
> the tree must start.”
>
> I really wonder why I chose finance. Living a
> life surrounded by dollars and decimals makes it
> kind of hard to get out of bed on a weekday
> without vomiting.
Werd, Id much rather teach orphaned Vietnamese landmine survivors interpretive dance.
On a serious note, if you don’t like your job then why do it, other then to pay your bills? I hate my job which is why I also do a lot of volunteer work and I am looking for a different position. I think a lot of what is holding people in finance from switching careers is ego and this almost sick sense of self worth we derive from our careers.
Send it over here, folks! ;-)
It is true that finance attracts a lot of people with the basest qualities and instincts. Like cockroaches munching on whatever the juiciest food around is.
However, it’s nice to know that those aren’t the only types of people out there. There actually are decent ordinary people who just want to manage money sensibly and try to use their talents to make a decent return for their clients without taking excessive risks.
The trick is that it’s very easy to think that if you have less money than someone else, you must be worse than them. There is so much luck in this field - when did you start, who was your mentor, what did the market do just after you moved to a different job, etc. - you can’t take that as your yardstick of success.
Know what you want to accomplish with your money. Then go make sure you have enough to do it. If you have money, and no idea what you want to use it for, then that’s a recipe for a shallow life.
It is true that finance attracts a lot of people with the basest qualities and instincts. Like cockroaches munching on whatever the juiciest food around is.
However, it’s nice to know that those aren’t the only types of people out there. There actually are decent ordinary people who just want to manage money sensibly and try to use their talents to make a decent return for their clients without taking excessive risks.
The trick is that it’s very easy to think that if you have less money than someone else, you must be worse than them. There is so much luck in this field - when did you start, who was your mentor, what did the market do just after you moved to a different job, etc. - you can’t take that as your yardstick of success.
Know what you want to accomplish with your money. Then go make sure you have enough to do it. If you have money, and no idea what you want to use it for, then that’s a recipe for a shallow life.
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I don’t hate my job, don’t get me wrong. In fact, the only thrill I get is making stellar calls and trying to far outperform other PM’s in my universe.
I’m just bored of money. accumulate, spend, accumulate more, spend more.. material goods over and over again..
Saving sounds good at first, but what’s the point of that? working hard just to watch it pile up?
I’m just bored of money. accumulate, spend, accumulate more, spend more.. material goods over and over again..
Saving sounds good at first, but what’s the point of that? working hard just to watch it pile up?
“So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce.”
FWIW, the “The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.” (1 Timothy 6:10)
BTW, is anyone actually saying “money is the root of all evil?” It seems to me that the complaint is that a life of accumulation for the purpose of spending is an empty life, not necessarily an evil one.
My particular post said that shallow, superficial, and possibly evil people are attracted to finance because of the money, so you find a high concentration of those people in finance, but the converse is not necessarily true (that being in finance means you are shallow, superficial, or evil).
Money as a means to an end is not evil (in and of itself). Though, obviously, the end might be evil (or not).
BTW, is anyone actually saying “money is the root of all evil?” It seems to me that the complaint is that a life of accumulation for the purpose of spending is an empty life, not necessarily an evil one.
My particular post said that shallow, superficial, and possibly evil people are attracted to finance because of the money, so you find a high concentration of those people in finance, but the converse is not necessarily true (that being in finance means you are shallow, superficial, or evil).
Money as a means to an end is not evil (in and of itself). Though, obviously, the end might be evil (or not).
iteracom Wrote:
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> I don’t hate my job, don’t get me wrong. In fact,
> the only thrill I get is making stellar calls and
> trying to far outperform other PM’s in my
> universe.
>
> I’m just bored of money. accumulate, spend,
> accumulate more, spend more.. material goods over
> and over again..
>
> Saving sounds good at first, but what’s the point
> of that? working hard just to watch it pile up?
Why don’t you treat friends and family who dont have it as easy as yourself once in a while? Giving is better than receiving and charity begins at home. It’s very rewarding to be able to make someone else smile.
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> I don’t hate my job, don’t get me wrong. In fact,
> the only thrill I get is making stellar calls and
> trying to far outperform other PM’s in my
> universe.
>
> I’m just bored of money. accumulate, spend,
> accumulate more, spend more.. material goods over
> and over again..
>
> Saving sounds good at first, but what’s the point
> of that? working hard just to watch it pile up?
Why don’t you treat friends and family who dont have it as easy as yourself once in a while? Giving is better than receiving and charity begins at home. It’s very rewarding to be able to make someone else smile.
well, im not tired of money. I NEED money to achieve freedom and do the things i’ve set out to do in life. I literally need money but im not solely only motivated by money although I appear to be.
as for material things, i’ll work hard for it although i know having or not having it really isnt such a big deal in life although it seems like a very big deal for most “finance guys”.
since in this population it attracts the best and the worst lot…
its coming from a view of a naive undergrad. so my current opinions might change in the future according to experiences. who knows?
as for material things, i’ll work hard for it although i know having or not having it really isnt such a big deal in life although it seems like a very big deal for most “finance guys”.
since in this population it attracts the best and the worst lot…
its coming from a view of a naive undergrad. so my current opinions might change in the future according to experiences. who knows?
@black swan:
http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatore3c5c1bf714de68624f8b512cf20af751...
Black Swan Wrote:
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> YES.
>
> One of my all time favorite passages, from the
> conclusion of Zen & The Art of Motorcycle
> Maintenance:
>
> “…you get a pretty accurate basic description of
> modern American technology; stylized cars and
> stylized outboard motors and stylized typewriters
> and stylized clothes. Stylized refrigerators,
> filled with stylized food in stylized kitchens in
> stylized houses. Plastic stylized toys for
> stylized children, who at Christmas and birthdays
> are in style with their stylish parents. You have
> to be awfully stylish yourself not to get sick of
> it once in a while. It’s the style that gets you;
> technological ugliness syruped over with romantic
> phoniness in an effort to produce beauty and
> profit by people who, though stylish, don’t know
> where to start because no one has ever told them
> there’s such a thing as Quality in this world and
> it’s real, not style. Quality isn’t something you
> lay on top of subjects and objects like tinsel on
> a Christmas tree. Real quality must be the source
> of the subjects and objects, the cone from which
> the tree must start.”
>
> I really wonder why I chose finance. Living a
> life surrounded by dollars and decimals makes it
> kind of hard to get out of bed on a weekday
> without vomiting.
http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatore3c5c1bf714de68624f8b512cf20af751...
Black Swan Wrote:
——————————————————-
> YES.
>
> One of my all time favorite passages, from the
> conclusion of Zen & The Art of Motorcycle
> Maintenance:
>
> “…you get a pretty accurate basic description of
> modern American technology; stylized cars and
> stylized outboard motors and stylized typewriters
> and stylized clothes. Stylized refrigerators,
> filled with stylized food in stylized kitchens in
> stylized houses. Plastic stylized toys for
> stylized children, who at Christmas and birthdays
> are in style with their stylish parents. You have
> to be awfully stylish yourself not to get sick of
> it once in a while. It’s the style that gets you;
> technological ugliness syruped over with romantic
> phoniness in an effort to produce beauty and
> profit by people who, though stylish, don’t know
> where to start because no one has ever told them
> there’s such a thing as Quality in this world and
> it’s real, not style. Quality isn’t something you
> lay on top of subjects and objects like tinsel on
> a Christmas tree. Real quality must be the source
> of the subjects and objects, the cone from which
> the tree must start.”
>
> I really wonder why I chose finance. Living a
> life surrounded by dollars and decimals makes it
> kind of hard to get out of bed on a weekday
> without vomiting.
CFABLACKBELT
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Dude… sounds like you need a hobby outside of finance.
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I do. without revealing too much, I’m in competitive swimming and in a orchestra. But obviously work takes up most of the day.
I don’t agree that working in finance means you’re just hungry for money. If you derive real joy from something and it is fulfilling, the comp is just a side product. I think the 2 can thought of as separate.
I don’t agree that working in finance means you’re just hungry for money. If you derive real joy from something and it is fulfilling, the comp is just a side product. I think the 2 can thought of as separate.
I’m not tired of money as I haven’t been working long enough to accumulate a whole lot, but I am tired of the pursuit and strive to avoid the endless rat race. What good is money if you hate what you do and have no free time to spend it??
My philosophy is simply that I never want to worry about where the next meal will come or how to pay for next month’s rent/mortgage. I enjoy not having to adhere strictly to a budget. It’s nice to be able to buy a round of drinks or pick up a tab without cringing at the hit to my wallet, and knowing that a speeding ticket isn’t gonna break the bank. To me, that security is worth working a job that’s not the epitome of fulfilling, at least until the nest egg is big enough to move on to something else.
My philosophy is simply that I never want to worry about where the next meal will come or how to pay for next month’s rent/mortgage. I enjoy not having to adhere strictly to a budget. It’s nice to be able to buy a round of drinks or pick up a tab without cringing at the hit to my wallet, and knowing that a speeding ticket isn’t gonna break the bank. To me, that security is worth working a job that’s not the epitome of fulfilling, at least until the nest egg is big enough to move on to something else.
krazykanuck
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@Dude: Thinking of all the realities of life is enough to make you occasionally wonder what the point of all of it is.
That being said I love having and making money. I like being able to look at my bank and investment accounts and know that I’m already ahead of probably 99% of my fellow recent university graduates. Makes my life problems look pretty trivial next to the people who don’t have enough money to cover rent, or car insurance, or whatever problems most 22 year olds have.
That being said I love having and making money. I like being able to look at my bank and investment accounts and know that I’m already ahead of probably 99% of my fellow recent university graduates. Makes my life problems look pretty trivial next to the people who don’t have enough money to cover rent, or car insurance, or whatever problems most 22 year olds have.
Not making enough to be tired of it yet, when I hit that point I will come back here and tell you. I think sundevl21 said it best though. I don’t want to worry about expenses and the stress that comes with that. I’m hoping I can live comfortably and focus on my personal life.
Black Swan
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Just to clarify, I wasn’t trying to complain about having money (personally I think that’s pretty ridiculous, especially while there are starving people). I was more addressing the fact that for some reason I chose back in college (didn’t know better) to enter an industry where literally money is the beginning and the end. I just strongly dislike working in this vacuum where all the tangible and intangible aspects of life have been stripped away and replaced by an obsession with this proxy measured in decimals and fractions. It’s like living in an empty netherworld.
And the answer as to why I still work here is pretty simple. Bills.
And the answer as to why I still work here is pretty simple. Bills.