Why are asians so obsessed with obtaining as many certificates as they can?

geo wrote:
I_am_the_Highway wrote:
rahul roy wrote:
Why are people so obsessed with obtaining as much money as they can?(Given the fact that money has decreasing utility after a point)
WRONG…money has a decreasing marginal utility. More is always better.
WRONG… Only when the marginal utility exceeds the marginal cost. This becomes less likely as wealth increases. Many rich folks foolishly sacrifice health and family for money they can never possibly enjoy in their lifetime. Irrational, yes, but common.
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kaveh_nobari wrote:
Spanish was merely an example. As a person in the industry language skills in AM, ER and particularly M&A beats the CFA designation any day of the week. You clearly are not working in the industry….
I am working in the industry but not in US or UK’s. And I would not be surprised if employers in those countries don’t give a shit about it either.
I admit I am new to the industry but what I have seen is employers only care if you know English. And whether you can make money or not.
 
Finkid wrote:
kaveh_nobari wrote:
Spanish was merely an example. As a person in the industry language skills in AM, ER and particularly M&A beats the CFA designation any day of the week. You clearly are not working in the industry….
I am working in the industry but not in US or UK’s. And I would not be surprised if employers in those countries don’t give a shit about it either.
I admit I am new to the industry but what I have seen is employers only care if you know English. And whether you can make money or not.
Let’s talk M&A:
Language skills: especially Russian, German, French in addition to of course English are OF VERY HIGH VALUE
CFA: Almost useless
AM and ER:
Language Skills: Highly desired (not as much as M&A though)
CFA: HIghly Desired
Period
 
I have never worked in the Western markets so I am not aware of what is desired over there but I have a couple of questions.
kaveh_nobari wrote:
In the UK…….They simply don’t value someone who has so many certificates.
I have passed the FRM exams and am currenly in the pursuit of the CFA and CMT designations, and wish to go after the ERP, PRM and CAIA designations upon completion of the CFA and CMT examination……I currently possess a BA and an MA, and will be starting my MSc in September and my Ph.D next year.
Q1) Why are you going/have gone after 10 degrees/designations/ if they are not valued in UK?
Q2) Why are not you doing networking and/or exploiting investment opportunities?
kaveh_nobari wrote:
Let’s talk M&A:
Language skills: especially Russian, German, French in addition to of course English are OF VERY HIGH VALUE
AM and ER:
Language Skills: Highly desired (not as much as M&A though)
Q3) Why are not you learning Russian, German, French etc. which are OF VERY HIGH VALUE (in your own words) rather than wasting your time and money on these worthless designations?
Q4) From what I have observed, this forum is dominated by American candidates. If learning foreign languages was more important/desired than getting CFA charter in the US market, then there would be more candidates learning languages rather than pursuing CFA charter. I might be wrong but these candidates can’t be.
And finally an advice, as you may have observed, please see the CONTRADICTIONS in your statements.
 
I have seen a lot of person from India doing great in Finance without any certification, but some people who want to get an opportunity where they want to be from where they are at, and here only networking does not help, adding some more credibility in the CV does matter to get atleast a job interview.
Also as some persons has already mentioned here, that from because of huge competiotion, people try to differentiate themself from crowd who don’t have knowledge & ability to go through that rigorous Certification.
Also it helps as person interviewing you trust you more, as they feel you are motivated enough to put extra efforts & learn new stuffs.
 
Q1) Why are you going/have gone after 10 degrees/designations/ if they are not valued in UK? I have already explained this. Please read my text again!
Q2)
Why are not you doing networking and/or exploiting investment opportunities? Read the comments. I have gotten my current job through networking!
Q3)
Why are not you learning Russian, German, French etc. which are OF VERY HIGH VALUE (in your own words) rather than wasting your time and money on these worthless designations? Don’t put words in my mouth, I never said worthless designations! For your information I am fluent in 4 languages and learning the 5th one. Once again read comments!
Q4)
From what I have observed, this forum is dominated by American candidates. If learning foreign languages was more important/desired than getting CFA charter in the US market, then there would be more candidates learning languages rather than pursuing CFA charter. I might be wrong but these candidates can’t be.
And finally an advice, as you may have observed, please see the CONTRADICTIONS in your statements. NOPE you just did not read my comments/my post properly! Now stop getting too personal, as it is childish, I asked a question that I was genuinely interested to its response!
 
geo wrote:WRONG… Only when the marginal utility exceeds the marginal cost. This becomes less likely as wealth increases. Many rich folks foolishly sacrifice health and family for money they can never possibly enjoy in their lifetime. Irrational, yes, but common.
WRONG…cost arguments are already accounted for when talking about decreasing marginal utility, just as with the diminishing marginal productivity of capital:
http://hayek.diw.de/documents/dokumentenarchiv/17/diw_01.c.83709.de/soep...
 
kaveh_nobari wrote:
Language skills: especially Russian, German, French in addition to of course English are OF VERY HIGH VALUE
I think you are exaggerating a bit. Although I am not in M&A I know some college buddies who are involved in large real estate acquisitions in EE and they say English is the name of the game. Here in Austria many banks are highly engaged in the EE markets, but usually if they need someone who speeks Russian they just hire some poor sod from SPGU to translate - much cheaper than finding or training local people. French maybe - those ignorant p**** refuse to learn any other language.
I am fluent in 4 languages as well (three of those highly regarded according to you) and can make conversation in 3 others, but that has never helped me in my work. It was noted in job interviews, but was more along the lines “nice for you”.
 
I_am_the_Highway wrote:
kaveh_nobari wrote:
Language skills: especially Russian, German, French in addition to of course English are OF VERY HIGH VALUE
I think you are exaggerating a bit. Although I am not in M&A I know some college buddies who are involved in large real estate acquisitions in EE and they say English is the name of the game. Here in Austria many banks are highly engaged in the EE markets, but usually if they need someone who speeks Russian they just hire some poor sod from SPGU to translate - much cheaper than finding or training local people. French maybe - those ignorant p**** refuse to learn any other language.
I am fluent in 4 languages as well (three of those highly regarded according to you) and can make conversation in 3 others, but that has never helped me in my work. It was noted in job interviews, but was more along the lines “nice for you”.
I agree that I may have exaggerated a little bit. But this is one of NUMEROUS examples:
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/17379673
Do you see any mention of CFA? What about a second language? If you google there are many websites with mention of other languages. But no mention of CFA.
 
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