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From Wiley: When using quality control charts, the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill should be rejected when the manager’s performance at the end of the relevant period is:
1. above the lower edge of the confidence band.
2. between the lower confidence band and the upper confidence band.
3. above the upper confidence band
Answer is #1. The confidence band represents a range of values that could be due to random luck rather than skill, and as such we would not reject the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill if the returns lie in this range
This doesn’t make sense. If Performance is > than upper confidence band, we should reject the null hypothesis. Am I not thinking about this correctly?
 
Could it be that when performance > upper band, the manager is earning impossible return, which could be the result of trading on insider information not because of his skills?
 
the entire edge area is unexplained variables right? pure luck. It makes sense to me. if it’s above the confidence band then they are doing a really banging job, money in the bank.
 
ajb1 wrote:
From Wiley: When using quality control charts, the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill should be rejected when the manager’s performance at the end of the relevant period is:
1. above the lower edge of the confidence band.
2. between the lower confidence band and the upper confidence band.
3. above the upper confidence band
Answer is #1. The confidence band represents a range of values that could be due to random luck rather than skill, and as such we would not reject the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill if the returns lie in this range
This doesn’t make sense. If Performance is > than upper confidence band, we should reject the null hypothesis. Am I not thinking about this correctly?
The null hypothesis is that the manager has no skill, not that the manager has inconsistent skill.
In other words, you cannot say for sure that the manager has no skill at all if it’s not statisitcally different from zero, but you cannot know for sure, therefore you reject the null which is the manager has no skill. This is how I interperted the author’s meaning anyway.
If the null is the manager cannot generate consistent alpha, then reject if it lies above the upper confidence band. But then again, ‘no skill’ needs to be defined here, is the null alpha = 0? If so, then you’re right, and the question is wrong. Poor choice of words, it can be easily understood your way as well. I probably would have.
 
The more I read the question, the more I think the stated answer is wrong. Null hypothesis is manager has no skill. If we breach the confidence band on the upside, we could reject the null hypothesis.
This answer states that we breach the lower edge of the confidence band, thus we would not reject the null hypothesis. While this is a true statement, the question asks: when do we reject the null hypothesis?
Does anyone agree?
@AlmostDoneIII answer seems to agree with me, we reject the null hypothesis if we are above the upper edge of the confidence band?
 
ajb1 wrote:
The more I read the question, the more I think the stated answer is wrong. Null hypothesis is manager has no skill. If we breach the confidence band on the upside, we could reject the null hypothesis.
This answer states that we breach the lower edge of the confidence band, thus we would not reject the null hypothesis. While this is a true statement, the question asks: when do we reject the null hypothesis?
Does anyone agree?
@AlmostDoneIII answer seems to agree with me, we reject the null hypothesis if we are above the upper edge of the confidence band?
Ah i’ll agree with you. It’s very tricky and i think obvious once you realize the question and the answer are completely different as you pointed out. That’s what happens when you take a very complex worded subject and try to turn it into a question bahaha.
Because the answer seems to be thought out, i’d bet the questino should have said not reject. Then it would be correct.
 
ajb1 wrote:
From Wiley: When using quality control charts, the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill should be rejected when the manager’s performance at the end of the relevant period is:
1. above the lower edge of the confidence band.
2. between the lower confidence band and the upper confidence band.
3. above the upper confidence band
Answer is #1. The confidence band represents a range of values that could be due to random luck rather than skill, and as such we would not reject the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill if the returns lie in this range
This doesn’t make sense. If Performance is > than upper confidence band, we should reject the null hypothesis. Am I not thinking about this correctly?
(I haven’t seen the question, but this doesn’t seem very complex.) Answer choice 1 is a subset of choice 2 (note that choice 1 says above the lower band, which means that it is between lower and upper limits on the control chart). Choice 3 would be the only choice indicative of a statistically significant result at the chosen significance level.
 
@AlmostDoneIII, I agree with you, should’ve probably said “not reject” and was a typo
 
ajb1 wrote:
@AlmostDoneIII, I agree with you, should’ve probably said “not reject” and was a typo
If the question said “when should you NOT reject Ho,” then answer choices 1 and 2 would both be correct. Answer choice 2 encompasses choice 1– read choice 1 again– it said above the lower band. If the upper and lower bands were 10 and 2, respectively, then a value above 2 can also be between 10 and 2– fail to reject Ho based on that statement alone.
 
MrSmart wrote:
The null hypothesis is that the manager has no skill, not that the manager has inconsistent skill.
In other words, you cannot say for sure that the manager has no skill at all if it’s not statisitcally different from zero, but you cannot know for sure, therefore you reject the null which is the manager has no skill. This is how I interperted the author’s meaning anyway.
Irrespective of statistical significance, you could not say for sure that he does or does not have skill. The data can indicate that he does or does not have skill, but nothing can be concluded with surety (100%).
 
@tickersu I’m clearly not following you. Are you saying the answer is #3 “above the upper confidence band”
 
ajb1 wrote:
@tickersu I’m clearly not following you. Are you saying the answer is #3 “above the upper confidence band”
I believe so– it doesn’t appear to require knowledge beyond how to interpret significance based on a CI (in this case, control limits). The question:
From Wiley: When using quality control charts, the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill should be rejected when the manager’s performance at the end of the relevant period is:
1. above the lower edge of the confidence band.
2. between the lower confidence band and the upper confidence band.
3. above the upper confidence band

Ho: Manager has no skill
Ha: Manager has skill (performance ABOVE some threshold for significance)
When do we reject Ho?
As with any CI, a result is not significant on a two-tailed test when the hypothesized (null) value falls within the confidence interval (period value outside the control limits, for this case). In a one-tailed test (could be implied here, because skill is associated with increased returns, in this case, so positive tail outcomes), a hypothesized value is not significant (do not reject) when the hypothesized value (period value) is below the upper band of the CI (control chart).
Answer choice 2 says between the bands—not significant, fail to reject Ho.
Answer choice 1 says above the lower edge of the CI (or lower control limit)—> in other words, it is not a lower value than the lower band, so it can’t be significant on a two-tailed test.
If the test of hypothesis is only one-tailed, then you have a significant result only in scenario 3 where the sample statistic exceeds the upper control limit.
No matter which way you set up the test, one or two-tailed, there is only one solution here that implies statistical significance (performance beyond the control limit).

Their answer:
Answer is #1. The confidence band represents a range of values that could be due to random luck rather than skill, and as such we would not reject the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill if the returns lie in this range

Their reasoning supports my conclusion. They’re telling you why #2 is incorrect (by implying do not reject), but they’ve neglected that choice #1 is included in choice #2.
Unless I’m misunderstanding something here…(I haven’t seen the book, so it is possible, but I’m not quite sure that’s the case.) Maybe someone can ask S2000 his thoughts.
Read up on statistical control charts (beyond the finance context) for more background…anything outside the control limits implies that the process is no longer in control (think of manufacturing and a machine needs to be serviced, causing too many defects from an out of control process). In that case, the null is that the process is in control, and the null is rejected when certain patterns appear on the chart or a value exceeds one of the bands.
Additionally, the explanation isn’t the most accurate. Even values that are beyond the confidence bands could be due to sampling variation (random luck), but these values have just exceeded our threshold for deciding what was due to sampling error and what indicates evidence against the null (hence, we call them significant, but it’s not guaranteed they weren’t due to sampling variation [“manager’s luck”]).
 
This is really much more simple than it looks.
The question is wrong.
 
MrSmart wrote:
This is really much more simple than it looks.
It is quite simple, but prior explanations seemed to go unnoticed and did not resolve the issue.
MrSmart wrote:The question is wrong.
Yes, but saying that and moving on doesn’t help anyone understand the concept (which is the intention behind doing practice questions).
 
tickersu wrote:
MrSmart wrote:
This is really much more simple than it looks.
It is quite simple, but prior explanations seemed to go unnoticed and did not resolve the issue.
MrSmart wrote:The question is wrong.
Yes, but saying that and moving on doesn’t help anyone understand the concept (which is the intention behind doing practice questions).
Normally yes. The OP did have an understanding of the concept, before this.
 
^Don’t you wish this guy had an “OFF” button!??!
#HonestToRa
 
MrSmart wrote:
Normally yes. The OP did have an understanding of the concept, before this.
It appeared as though the OP was questioning why answer choice 3 would be correct for the written question (as evidenced by directly asking if that’s what I was saying). Did I miss an earlier part where the OP stated that #3 should be the correct answer (aside from his initial posts)? After his first posts, it seemed as though the OP thought the question should be worded differently to say “when would you NOT reject…”, but this wouldn’t fix the problem, because 1&2 would be correct.
Additionally, it seems the question was probably miskeyed, rather than incorrectly written or poorly worded.
Maybe you can clear these points up for me. If I’ve made a mistake, I’d like to understand where that happened.
 
tickersu wrote:It appeared as though the OP was questioning why answer choice 3 would be correct for the written question (as evidenced by directly asking if that’s what I was saying). Did I miss an earlier part where the OP stated that #3 should be the correct answer (aside from his initial post)? After his first post, it seemed as though the OP thought the question should be worded differently to say “when would you NOT reject…”, but this wouldn’t fix the problem, because 1&2 would be correct.
Maybe you can clear these points up for me. If I’ve made a mistake, I’d like to understand where that happened.
ajb1 wrote:
Answer is #1. The confidence band represents a range of values that could be due to random luck rather than skill, and as such we would not reject the null hypothesis that the manager has no skill if the returns lie in this range
This doesn’t make sense. If Performance is > than upper confidence band, we should reject the null hypothesis. Am I not thinking about this correctly?
I was referring to this. Seemed to have the right idea. He was asking if you’re post implied that answer #3 was indeed, the correct choice, not that he needed an explanation.
No biggie.
 
Posts 8 and 11 were indicative of a later thought process where the OP seemed to lose that initial (correct) train of thought, but I could be misinterpreting that. I felt it was appropriate to explain something at that point (especially because someone else provided an incorrect explanation that changed his perception… I also explicity stated in post #7 that choice 3 was the only statistically significant choice, so further explanation seemed like a good idea).
If the OP has it cleared up now, then I think that’s what matters.
 
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